Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater EP-600 Review thread.

bridgman sized it up pretty well.

Indeed! Fantastic job, John. The only thing you left out (and reasonably so, since you probably are unfamiliar with it) is the history between Craig, Ilkka, and many of the rest of us. There are those, over at AVS, who would, should Craig say it's November, call up some ancient calendar, and say that he's deleted a month, and/or is incapable of reading a calendar, or is out to deprive us of Christmas. They accuse him of incompetence or malfeasance and try to discredit him every time he posts. Craig, for the most part, keeps it relatively civil. Though I have seen his posts, over the years, understandably, become more acerbic, compared to his detractors, he still remains on the higher road. And, had you witnessed what he's been through, as I have, you would marvel at his restraint. Sometimes, enough is enough, and you have to speak up in your own defense.

As for Ilkka, I have a personal gripe that I will not go into in depth. Suffice it to say, that I took the time to lend a hand in what I felt to be a gracious gesture, and was slapped in the face. I plead guilty to an unrelenting negative bias. Add to that his knee jerk defensiveness, his need to demonstrate to all how intelligent he is, and his tendency to personally insult anyone who dares disagree with him, and, bright though he may be, I find him insufferably condescending. He is 24 (or so) and seems to have a pathological need to impress one and all.

After all his insulting questioning of Craig's ability, and integrity, I plead guilty to enjoying his outrage, and righteous indignation at having me, and others, question HIS motives and methods. I'm not necessarily proud of that reaction, but I am human, and one can only stand so much.

Ahh, that explains a few things. If it helps at all, I was probably worse than Ilkka when I was 24

I found it very interesting that this Ilkka fellow ABSOLUTELY refused to listen to the EP subjectively in it's correct orientation. He stated "But I was using the EP-600 in the downfiring configuration (placed a few books on each end) and it obviously didn't like it. There was a good 2.5" between the woofer and the floor, but when looking at the results, airflow was propably restricted" because "I had to use this configuration, because others were giving me a very bad FR." Note also that he tested an upright 600 in a horizontal orientation. I don't know if his claims that this makes no difference is true. I have seen posts from Ian in this forum stating that you shouldn't do this. I do know that Scott Mitchell put up great numbers as QB for the Detroit Lions a few years back but was eventually released because in reality he made bad decisions and lost games. Numbers are never the whole story.

Nice job, as usual, bridgman! You have condensed the "Free-For-All" thread at AVSforum posted by some character known as "Ilkka" nicely. And thanks Ajax for the insightful history of the relationship between between the rather vengeful members at AVS and their all out assualt on Craigsub. It helps keep things in perspective.

I recieved my epic 80/600 7.1 system several weeks ago, and haven't regretted one minute of time spent (or one dollar spent as well) enjoying this combination of speakers. I have never heard a sub come across so deep/powerful/smooth all at once, as the ep600. I am relatively new to the subwoofer culture but I have heard some fairly exotic sound systems in the past. The ep600 has the most refined deep bass that I have witnessed to date.

Nice job Craigsub on your gracious responses to the harsh criticism. Thats a though line to hold and you do it well...

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Note also that he tested an upright 600 in a horizontal orientation. I don't know if his claims that this makes no difference is true. I have seen posts from Ian in this forum stating that you shouldn't do this.

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Whenever I ordered my 600 I was asked by the Axiom folks if it was to be the 600V or 600H....meaning either Vertical or Horizontal. Regarding performance, I don't think it matters whether the sub is positioned in either configuration.

I personally believe you could put this sub in the neighbor's house and it would *still* knock your socks off ... from across the street.

You guys serve as constant reminders as to why this is the only forum I'm involved with!

Right you are, Mark.

I've zipped around thru some of the others off and on through the last few years, and this is the Only One I've ever contributed to(or detracted from)

The only one that seems to be a comfortable place to stay!!





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Rich

Hi gents, This does get tiring, for sure. I just cannot let the total slam of a great product go unchallenged. I hope you guys can keep this thread going. IT is nice to actually get the occasional encouragement ...

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