Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners bi amping with marantz sr-6300

'Cause high end audio snobs won't buy them if they aren't there.

Didn't mean to "burst your bubble" but to spend money on something that will not improve the sound is, well, a waste. I also see no good reason to want to bypass the Axiom crossovers. Axiom has done a ton of research to in order to have the right crossovers in the speakers they build.

"Real" bi-amping (where you disable the speaker crossover and add an electronic crossover before the amplifiers) really does make a difference, but mostly by letting you run the woofer amp closer to clipping without hearing the distortion in your midrange and tweeters.

"Faux" bi-amping (where you run exactly the same signal into both amps) doesn't seem to accomplish much more than bi-wiring, and most don't feel bi-wiring accomplishes any more than going up to the next size of speaker wire.

As soon as you add a powered subwoofer with separate amplifier, you gain 99% of the benefit of "real" bi-amping anyways. Bi-amping was big back when woofers carried ALL the bass, and sub-woofers were a dream.

from what i read i thought that there would be alot better stereo seperation for older recordings. I was unsure of how this would work in the digital world. I am definatly not an audio snob, just a blue collared guy with a drinking problem that enjoys audio... especially when drinking.

There are a lot of interesting myths in audio... and I didn't mean to call you a snob. I was referring more to the people who write the articles and use words like "veil." If the article has the phrase "it was like a veil had been lifted..." it usually activates my bs filter.

Ahh, THAT kind of bi-amping. Using a separate amplifier (with a separate power supply) for left and right channels...

Again, that used to make a difference but nowadays my understanding is that most medium and high-end AV receivers run separate power supplies for different groups of channels to accomplish the same effect.

Bottom line is that it is still hard to beat getting all your components up to roughly the same level in a straightforward system before you spend $$ on anything non-standard. Exactly how and where you spend your money will depend on what you listen to and what your room is like, but if you're going to do anything out of the ordinary then IMO you should spend time and $$ improving your room acoustics first. It's a tossup between speakers and room re: which gives the most benefit per hour or dollar spent -- electronics are not going to have anything like the same effect.

well thanks guys. I am listening.

I definatly listened about the whole home depot cable thing, i am by no means an expert. But there wasn't any difference in the $400 cables the local dealer was trying to sell me and btw i work for a living.

just asking because i was thinking about it and didn't know much about it. thanks for the input. What significant improvement could i make for about $1500 cnd? any suggestions?

How big is your room, how "spread out" is your system (eg. how many feet from the main speakers to the listening position) and what do you listen to the most ?

More to the point, what would you like "more of" ? You have a pretty nice, well balanced system there already.

Dan my HT/Recroom is pushing 900Sq Ft with 9ft ceilings and my 60's go plenty loud with my Denon 2805 AVR. I was in high school back in the 80's metal days and also like it loud, and I am totally happy with no plans to upgrade soon. I know Wid thinks I need m80's but looking at the graph, other than a slightly better bass response, the 60 graph looks flatter.

hey don't get me wrong its good... very good. But if it can be better i'm there. i'm getting the notion that i should settle down though....