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That was an interesting first post.

I think there will be a few members that will have comments about the small to medium size room issue in reguards to the Axiom M50,M60, and even the M80.

I don't even know where to start on this one Wid or Tharkun, pretty much everything that was stated has no validity. My guess is that he has been listening to the trolls over at AVS. ha ha

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Hi 302 and welcome!

A lot of folks here have speakers other than Axiom! And we're honestly glad to hear that you like your 5t's!!

I get the feeling that you may have gotten some wrong impressions of Axiom!

Yeah, really!

For instance we don't like new shoes that don't fit either! I tried the Axiom 30 day free trial with my equipment in my own room when I bought mine, and kept them; plus another five more later!!(speakers,...not shoes)

Anyway, we talk about lots of other things related to audio, and tons of stuff that isn't! So pick a subject and join on in!! Who knows; you may find that Axiom ain't so bad when you find out more after all!

Seriously, your honest opinions are valued and welcome here!
Rich.

302 is right in that Axiom doesn't offer anything directly comparable to either the Image 5 or the Paradigm Monitor 5 (a mid-sized speaker with something like M50 driver complement). The argument, I guess, is that once you add in the cost of stands you are at pretty much the same price point as the same drivers in a floorstanding cabinet, ie make the box bigger and get better bass rather than a smaller box plus stands. There are good arguments for both points of view, of course.

Having said that, I am not a big believer in the theory that rear ported speakers need to be placed significantly differently from front ported speakers. Ian puts ports on front and rear (except for the bookshelves where there is no space on the front), presumably to even out the bass response in a typical room, so the Axiom floorstanders are kind of half way between front and rear ported.

I have had to pull front ported speakers AND sealed speakers way out from the wall to get what I consider to be smooth bass response... I guess I could be convinced that the Axioms need to be pulled out another 6 inches but that would be it...

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The M60's are a tower and that strikes my fancy but there is one problem. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are rear ported. That means they have to be pulled from the wall a ways and when you are as poor as me and already have limited space that becomes a problem. Not to mention they are meant to be in a Large room correct.

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No flames? Fair enough. However, I would like to correct some gross misconceptions. We wouldn't want to mislead anyone coming here to learn the facts, would we?

The M60s are rear ported, BUT need only 3 inches, or so, space behind them. If your space is so limited you can't afford 3 inches, then a LOT of very fine speakers aren't going to work in your room.

Meant to be in a large room? Define "large." I've successfully used M60 in a room 11.5 x 18 x 8. There are others here who've successfully used them in rooms considerably smaller than that.

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This means in the world of axiom when you have a small to medium room your options are limited to the dinky bookselfs and the m45's (not sure on the model), which are a whole different animal as I understand it(word of mouth).

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My response above shows that in a small to medium room, based on personal experience rather than word of mouth, one's options are NOT limited. Also, there are many "dinky bookshelf speakers" which sound fantastic, and just might embarrass your 5ts as well as the M60s. You can't judged by size alone. And finally, there is no Axiom M45 speaker.

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HT system is exactly that a system. If the components don't match they will sound like crap.

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Pretty broad generality. I've used QS8s with Rockets, and was just fine with that. I know of someone who uses QS8s with Ascends, and LOVES the combination. So, while I believe having matched surrounds is optimal, it's a tad extreme to label unmatched ones as "crap."

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Then my last point is, personal preferance. Everybody is different and that's why products are that diverse. I would Never buy a pair of shoes without trying them on. Same with speakers, if I can't hear them with a amp like mine I look in other places.

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Then you DEFINITELY should try Axioms. Not only can you hear them with you own amp, but you can listen to them for up to 30 days in your OWN ROOM and all your other equipment. You may return them, with a full refund of you purchase price, within 30 days for any reason, paying only return shipping to Buffalo, NY.

If you don't want to pay for return shipping on an entire system, then purchase only a pair of main speakers. If you like their sound, you'll like the rest of the speakers and can order them. If you don't like them, you only have to pay to return 2 speakers.

Thank you Jack, knew if I waited you would say what I was thinking.

B3, especially for someone making a first post, the use of terms such as "dinky" appears to be intentionally provocative.

Wid, that was the exact phrase that sprung to my mind.

Jack,

I think 302 meant the PSB t45, which is PSB's smallest tower speaker.