Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners which avr is good for axiom?

And I agree with Randy and Ray. Alan Lofft told me the same thing. Once you hit a certain price/quality point, you are going to be perfectly fine, as long as it has the features/functions that you want. I have a Pioneer Elite VSX 54TX and love it. I am definately in the minority here with the brand, but not quality. By that I mean that the Elite line is pretty solid and will do well for you, others around here just seem to buy Denon and other brands like that, which too are good products.

I know that the Pioneer VSX-74TX got some great reviews in various home theater mags when it first came out, so you won't go wrong there.

As for the whole "bright" thing, I'll say this.
Let me give you 3 words to decribe something that there are millions, or at least hundreds of thousands of variants and let you describe them. For example, I'll givce you FAST - NORMAL - SLOW and let you clasify every atuomobile in the world, understanding that there are vaiables outside of the automobile itself that can impact it's performance such as fuel choices, road conditions, amount of "stuff" in the vehicle, etc.
What would fall under FAST? NORMAL? SLOW?
You would find that one person might thing that a certain vehicle is "FAST" and another says it is just NORMAL because one person is looking at top speed, and the other acceleration. Every person is differenct.

To that end, I encourage people to use more factual information in regards to speakers. Look at the numbers. If a good frequency response range and lack of distortion means "bright", then give me my "bright" Axioms. I love the clarity of them, even though "clarity" is another subjective word.

Long story short... Get an audition of some Axioms if you are in doubt, and any receiver you pick in the range that you are looking can "tweak" the sound to your liking anyway since you would be starting with a great set of speakers.

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And I agree with Randy and Ray

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Me too!

I agree with myself.

Myself agrees with Randy and Ray.

Gee, this is funny. I got bored today, went for a ride and ended up at one of the local stereo places. I really didn't know what they had to offer. I looked at and listened to an Arcam, B&K, Integra and HK. I also listened to a variety of Paradigm speakers. Quick, someone post a thread at AVS. Either I have a horrible case of tinitus or those buggers were bright-t-t-t. Now, I'm going to make a general statement about modern speakers. After, spending a couple of years of hearing brand X versus Y and Z, I've come to the conclusion that most speakers are on the bright side, if you will. All this AVS talk about Axioms being harsher than brand Z is a bunch of hooey. To tell the truth, I've found the opposite to be true during my short demo sessions. Axioms are actually a more neutral speaker compared to many of those that I have auditioned.

The salesman really wanted me to like the Arcam, but I was most impressed by the HK. I wanted to hear the monster AVR-7300, but the newest model they had was the AVR-430. They really have to update their inventory, since that is a couple years old I'm afraid.

I really liked the BW 704s when I was shopping around. I ended up getting the Axioms M60ti. After having the M60ti for a while I went back to listen to the 704s again.

Yuck ... and over twice the cost.

Of the two you listed I would go with the Denon. As for Axiom being bright, I will add my two cents. For a time I thought my Axiom's were bright, and blamed it on my Receiver, then the speakers. However it is all fixed now. If you are not happy with your Axioms at first allow a burn in time. When I got mine I loved them, then it went through a stage where sound was bright, and somewhat shallow. However now with many hours on them, I could not ask for a better speaker for the money. This was just my experience.

In my strong opinion, most people just don't have a clue when they call something warm, bright, etc. I think that they are sort of like a little kid that learns a new word.

whats the typical time for burn in?? I receive my axiom last night, nice finish, fast shipping, excellent customer service. order on last friday got it 5 day later. I haven't properly setup yet, got denon 1920 player, but a sucky reciever for now, so the sound is okay.

"whats the typical time for burn in??" UH Oh You will get many differnt opinions on that question.

Agree with you on that.