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Hi, thanks to everyone for their help over the last few months!.... My M60's, VP150, 2 x QS8, EP500 have arrived in Syd Oz on Monday but I am away on Biz all week - would you belive it!. I get back Fri PM and want to double check that for the initial setup with the V2600 I should:
1) set speakers to small
2) set cross over for the sub to 80
3) let the Yami do its thing with the mic for balancing
3) crank it up an enjoy!

Thanks
Nathan

Those are all good start points. I have a Yamaha 657 and my personal preference is to set the speaker levels, distances and speaker size all manually using a SPL meter rather than letting the receiver do it. But that's just me. However, the receiver can get you started and then you can let your ears tell you how to tweek it further. Enjoy it all!!

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1) set speakers to small
2) set cross over for the sub to 80
3) let the Yami do its thing with the mic for balancing
3) crank it up an enjoy!

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1). yes.
2). yes.
3). yes.
3). (a?.) Definitley yes.

But I would test different large/small and crossover settings to see what I liked best?

I'm sure you are anxious to get back home.

The 80Hz crossover level is not set in stone, but is a great place to start. You may find the 60Hz crossover to be better.

Have fun with your awesome speakers, and let us know what you think!

OK, Got back this arvo and first thing was to start setting up the gear! Hooked up the Fronts and for the first few minutes was very aware of what silibrance (if that is the word) was for the first time but within a few minutes of listening to pure direct it seemed to settle down (or my ears did). Got the others up and going and again all so far so good but then came the EP500. I’ve so far not got it anywhere near what I’d call OK (but I’m sure it is my ineptitude at setting this puppy up).

1st EP500 Attempt at setup – Sounded terrible, very boomy, laggy/slow, and easy to localise. But then again I could not get the Yami to do an Auto Setup as all I would get was an W3 Error from the Amp (“Adjust the output volume of the subwoofer”) if the sub was on. It was also it the corner of the room which I’m to understand is not the always a good placement option.

2nd EP500 Attempt at setup – OK, I’ve moved the EP500 out of the corner (at the other end of the entertainment unit), lowered the Vol to 40% (as per the Yami instructions) and managed to calibrate it successfully! However in checking the results of the calibration all my speakers as set at +7 to +10DB and the EP500 is -9.5DB. Trouble is it is now late at night so I can not crank it up to see how it sounds.

Any thoughts welcome!

Jmone,

Nice setup.

I have M60, VP150, SQ8, velodyne DLS-4000 and Yamaha RX2400-V

I did the following which seemed to be best at least for my ears.

set all speakers to small.

I also had sub at -9 dB or so and other speakers at +6 to +7 dB. Thought about recalibrating with sub level turned down but have been too lazy so far, still think I will.

I used the Yamaha speaker level balance but the Yamaha EQ had what I thought was too much sibilance. I set the EQ for each speaker with my ear. I took down the levels for 1kHz about 1 dB, 2.5kH about 2 dB, 6.2kHz about 1 dB. My room is fairly reflecetive.

I think it's best to LFE output to sub.

If you have the VP150 on top of a big TV you may want to lift the back and aim it down toward the listener.

enjoy

Nathan, some of my thoughts: unless the room is square or nearly so, the best location for the sub is generally the corner behind the speakers, so I'd suggest using that location at least initially.

When you first tried the calibration the sub's level control was so high that the 2600 couldn't reduce it and increase the speakers enough to get a balance, so it gave you the W3. Lowering it to about 40% made it, but just barely(the +10dB used up all the adjustment), so I'd suggest to allow a little more adjustment room that you run the calibration again with maybe a 25-30% setting on the sub level so that all the numbers will be a bit closer to 0 after the calibration. For the calibration, set the 2600 to "skip" for speaker size and manually set all speakers "small" with an 80Hz crossover. I'd suggest that you try the "natural" setting for equalization initially(or you could "skip" equalization at first and leave it for later experimentation)which gives more emphasis to equalizing low frequencies and less to highs. This is similar to the equalization setting on the 2400 which I helped a colleague set up which emphasized the lower frequencies and gave us a pleasing result. As always, when you have the time, experiment with various settings.

I've got the Yamaha 2600 too and have been playing with it a couple weeks now. When set to automatic and then comparing the results using a Radio Shack dB meter and an Avia disk I get more than 3 dB differences between the "balance" that Yamaha did. I've done everything manually starting with their automatic settings and trimming them up or down in 0.5 dB steps until things are truely ballanced.

I started with the subwoofer setting it to -6 dB on the Yamaha's volume control and then used the volume control on my subwoofer's amplifier to get to 85 dB using the reference tone from the Avia test disk. The extra 6 dB is held in reserve <g>. I then got the other five speakers to match the subwoofer and then Bob's your uncle I was rocking.

Axiom adviced me to not allow the Yamaha to do an automatic equalize on their speakers.

Edited to add - I just purchased TrueRTA and a matching Beheringer 8000 lab microphone to do a true ring out of the system.

My 3rd attempt is the best so far, which had me use the Auto Setup when the sub was around 35-45% which has the speakers at around +6db and the sub at -6db. The booming, and easy localistion of the Sub is better now better than the 1st attempt (at 100% & in the corner) but I still get an impression that the "felt/tactile vibration" on music can be "late" - if that makes sence.

I've got to say that I'm impressed with the speakers - I'm hearing things on CD's I did not hear before (like breathing in the quite passages on a Hotel California) and the in DVD's (like the shell caseings in Matrix in the Lobby shoot out).

For Music when using "Pure Direct", the M60's sound great - a nice wide and deep 3d soundstage chrisp and clear but I still pick up some silibrance (if that is the word) so I may need to work on the EQ stuff. When in 2ch stereo, the sub kicks in and to me seems to close down the sound stage and make it a bit more muddied. 7ch stereo gives to me gives that I've got it all cranked up and lovin it feeling (at the expense of "purity").

In DVD's (eg Matrix) the Sub certainly adds some punch to sceens like when the elevator doors blow out.

In summary so far:
1) Pretty happy with the M60's / VP150 / QS8
2) Got to suss out the Silibrance to see what can be tweeked
3) Not yet sold that the EP500 elevates the whole system!

Need to play some more!

I have exactly the same speaker set and tried many times to use the auto setup of the Onkyo 703. It never worked well.

I guess, the auto calibration is not sophisticated enough to take care of the room resonances. It senses a resonance, but it only has 5 EQ bands, tries to pull down one band, it distorts the other bands and so on. I always ended up with weird setting bouncing from +7db to -7db and terrible sound.

I ended up doing it all manually, set up the distance, equalize the speakers, and change the sub as it fits your taste. For me it's +4 dB. That's it. Takes a few minutes and sounds much better than anything auto.