Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater W22 vs M22 vs M60 -- Not the Usual Problem

Geno, my view is that in the size room that you describe three vertical M22s across the front under the screen would be plenty. Mike's suggestion of doubling them up at all positions would allow for 3dB more output, but at this point you shouldn't assume that it would be necessary. It could still remain a possible option for a later addition.

As to the height of the M22s, there's really no necessity to think of raising them 9". My M22s sounded fine right on the floor when experimenting when I first got them, although I don't use them in that fashion. Tilted back slightly with some type of wedge under the front edge, so that the tweeters point toward the ears, they should do very well.

I would definitely go for a slightly smaller screen and put at least m60.

To sacrifice a couple of inches of the screen that nobody would even notice the difference or end up with inferior sound? I think, the choice is clear.

How about keeping the VP150 and putting the M22's under the screen? Most A/V equipment will be hidden in a cabinet built into the right wall. But I want to keep the video games in a console front & center in the room, under the screen, so the game controllers can reach the four front seats. The VP150 would fit perfectly on top of it.

So, in my situation, you are saying that having the M22's at below-ideal height, tilted back, would be better than having the left speaker too close to the wall, giving it a different sound than the right speaker, correct? Remember, the left speaker will be relatively close to the wall, no matter what (8-10" max). If I move it any further, I'll lose the stereo separation for the left seat positions.

Ahh, a vote for the M60's over the screen itself! So, how far from the wall would you say it HAS TO BE to sound correct?

Geno, I think that Gena was just suggesting that you use a smaller screen that would leave enough room underneath it to fit taller speakers, such as M60s.

Identical vertical speakers across the front are my suggestion, but if you can't arrange the game players to leave the center open, then use a horizontal center as you describe. There's no "ideal" speaker height; if the tweeters point to the ears that's the major factor. Also, the woofer cones should if possible be at unequal distances from the floor, front wall and side wall.

That would shrink my screen down to a mere 80" due to the height of my immovable obstacle to the north, the A/V ducts. But let's say I did that... how far would/should the left M60 be from the wall?

Do larger speakers need to be farther from a wall than bookshelf speakers, as a general rule?

I'm aware that all of my options place the speakers very near the screen, which some people say may be visually distracting. But having 3 M60's sticking out 27" from the wall, all RIGHT underneath the bottom of the frame (38" high) may be too awkward looking... ???

Geno, speaker placement doesn't differ depending on size; at least a few inches of "breathing room" should be left for rear ports and woofers should be at unequal distances from the three nearest room surfaces.

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Proposed HT Diagram (NOT to scale):


View from back of room, with my "props"
**Note--wall will be built where measuring tape is on the floor:


Front Wall of HT Room:


Photoshop enhancement of what might be:

Is there any reason not to use the other wall (the right wall in the diagram) as the main wall in the HT setup?

It seems as if it would save you a lot of trouble, since you are building one there anyways.

Honestly, going through the trouble of running some cables a few extra feet for power and what not is definately going to be worth it in your situation. Putting the screen on the wall you are building will make your screen actually centered in the room without being off center, and you won't have to deal with beating yourself up about deciding what to do.

Just a thought :-)

Good luck with your HT, that is a very nice room for it, looks great!