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#151697 - 11/20/06 12:33 AM Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice?
lorenzo Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
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Loc: Calgary, AB
Hi all! I've had a 5.1 system for about 5 years but have recently contracted upgrade-itis after buying my first HDTV. Looking at Axioms to upgrade from my Paradigm Mini-Monitor, CC-370 and Jamo E 800 surrounds. My room is 17x12x9 (1800 cubic feet). The "wizard" recommends Epic 60 500 system. I do like by movies and music loud--but would that system be too much? (as in too much for room, not too much money). Also looking to upgrade my 5 year old Denon 1802. Looking at Denon 2807, Yamaha 1700 or 2700 or Pioneer Elite 81 TXV or 82 TXS. Thought on any of my options or other suggestions much appreciated.
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#151698 - 11/20/06 12:41 AM Re: Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice? [Re: lorenzo]
Typhoon Offline
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Registered: 11/10/06
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Interesting. I'm actually considering the following setup similar to your existing right over the Axiom setup. How does your CC-370 and MiniMonitors sound?

Paradigm CC-370
Paradigm Monitor 7s
Paradigm Minimonitors (surrounds)
Paradigm PS-1000 sub

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#151699 - 11/20/06 01:01 AM Re: Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice? [Re: Typhoon]
lorenzo Offline
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Loc: Calgary, AB
Hi Typhoon: I have very few complaints about my current set-up. Movie sound is great! I notice a bit of "harshness" when I listen to music (especially classical) at high volumes. But the Paradigm system has served me well--and I'll be sorry to part with it. But I just want more!!
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#151700 - 11/20/06 01:02 AM Re: Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice? [Re: lorenzo]
danmagicman7 Offline
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Big speakers are never "too much" for a small room.

They will have a better frequency response, and a better bass response.

The only reason people choose bigger speakers for big areas is because bigger speakers have the ability to play louder.

By all means...trust your upgraditis...go for some M80s!
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#151701 - 11/20/06 01:07 AM Re: Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice? [Re: lorenzo]
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Lorenzo, welcome. Within reason, speakers can never be "too much" for a room, since you play them at the loudness you want; they don't control you. The 60/500 would certainly be excellent and a very substantial improvement over your present setup, but an M22 based setup with a smaller sub would also be good if it fits your budget better.

As to the receiver, again if it fits your budget, the 2700 would be excellent. If you would be interested in something less expensive, the Onkyo 604(available for around $380 from sources such as B&H and 6thAve)is a significant bargain.
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#151702 - 11/20/06 01:15 AM Re: Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice? [Re: JohnK]
lorenzo Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
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Loc: Calgary, AB
Thanks to both John K and magicman for the quick advice! One specific question: How important to the "Axiom sound" is the sub. For example, if I held on to my Paradigm DR-10, would I notice much of a difference with an Axiom Epic 60 or 80 system without the EP 500?
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#151703 - 11/20/06 02:45 AM Re: Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice? [Re: lorenzo]
danmagicman7 Offline
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I couldn't find anything about the Paradigm PB-10, but I can safely say that the EP500 will BLOW it out of the water.

The EP500 has a digital amp with technology built into it so that it can't ever be overdriven. It has a DSP chip in it with all of it's 12" driver characteristics programmed in, so it can control the frequency response of the sub so it is nearly flat. It really is an awesome sub. It is definitely one of the very best subs at the $1000 price point.


Also, the Paradigm "Monitor" line really doesn't compare to the quality of the Axiom line. If you read Paradigm's website, the "Monitor" line is referred to as a "value" line. For a more appropriate comparison, the Reference or Signature Paradigm lines compete with the Axioms. However, if you look at the price, the Axioms really shine through as the winner.

Good luck on your audio decisions!
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#151704 - 11/20/06 06:41 AM Re: Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice? [Re: lorenzo]
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
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How important to the "Axiom sound" is the sub. For example, if I held on to my Paradigm DR-10, would I notice much of a difference with an Axiom Epic 60 or 80 system without the EP 500?



Your question really has two answers. First, there is no need to worry about voice matching a subwoofer to the speakers. I don't have Axiom speakers but I use an Axiom EP500 subwoofer. Many who own Axiom speakers use another brand of subwoofer.

Second, based on frequency response alone (Paradigm PDR-10 = 27Hz/Axiom Ep-500 = 19 Hz), I suspect you would notice a substantial (sorry, couldn't resist ) difference between the two. But that difference would have little to do with one being a Paradigm and the other an Axiom.

It's not that the Axiom is a "better" sub (i.e, higher quality), For the money, I'm sure the Paradigm is a competent subwoofer. It's just that the Axiom is designed to do more, and will.

Conclusion. If you're happy with your Paradigm, there is no need to change subs simply because it isn't an Axiom. On the other hand, The EP500 is in a completely different class.
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#151705 - 11/20/06 09:46 AM Re: Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice? [Re: Typhoon]
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Typhoon, just an fyi. The Paradigm Studio lineup is a closer match to Axioms, the monitor series is more of an entry level system. Anyway, I've heard both Monitor and Studio are be replaced anyway.
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#151706 - 11/20/06 12:27 PM Re: Bad case of Upgrade-itis! Any Advice? [Re: SirQuack]
danmagicman7 Offline
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Quote:

Typhoon, just an fyi. The Paradigm Studio lineup is a closer match to Axioms, the monitor series is more of an entry level system. Anyway, I've heard both Monitor and Studio are be replaced anyway.




It looks like me and sirquack think the same way
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