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Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M
Wid #152282 12/19/06 03:58 PM
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I didn't know that. One gripe I have with the Outlaw is the silly Plexiglas top. It looks cool until the first dusting. Then it just scratches.

A pair of sixties and the STF-3.....ya, I'm betting that he'd be grinning ear to ear.

Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M
Wid #152283 12/20/06 04:52 AM
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Outlaw also makes a pretty nice, reasonably priced sub. I've got the LFM 1 and enjoy it. I think Outlaw has done some improvements to it over the past year too.






No doubt the Outlaw sub is a nice one; it is basically a STF 3. At the price difference, the Hsu being $100 cheaper, it's really no contest as to which is a better value.




I agree, the Outlaw LFM-1 sub is reasonably priced and sounds great. I have one and I also have the LFM-2. The 325 watt LFM-1 is actually priced lower than the 300 watt STF-3 and discounted even more when combined with other Outlaw Audio products.
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I beg to differ sir, the outlaw sub is $579 while the Hsu STF 3 is discounted at $479. I also find that Outlaw charges more for shipping than does Hsu. The 50 watt difference in the amps means just about nothing if one does not know the sensitivity rating of the drivers.


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Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M
Wid #152285 12/20/06 07:53 AM
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I've actually heard them, and indeed the B&W 703's are very similar in sound to the M60ti's. If you get a chance, give the 703's a listen...though I still suggest the EP500. It'll give your music a much fuller sound. As much as a good sub adds to movies, I personally like what it does for music even more. I'm NOT a bass freak. So I really like my sub blended as seemlessly with the mains as possible and there's no denying what a good sub mated to mains can do for your music enjoyment. I must stress the GOOD in that statement though. A low end sub and boom and shake china while playing movies, but will make your music sound like poop.

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Ajax #152286 12/20/06 08:02 AM
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I've actually heard them, and indeed the B&W 703's are very similar in sound to the M60ti's. If you get a chance, give the 703's a listen...though I still suggest the EP500. It'll give your music a much fuller sound. As much as a good sub adds to movies, I personally like what it does for music even more. I'm NOT a bass freak. So I really like my sub blended as seemlessly with the mains as possible and there's no denying what a good sub mated to mains can do for your music enjoyment. I must stress the GOOD in that statement though. A low end sub and boom and shake china while playing movies, but will make your music sound like poop.

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Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M
pmbuko #152288 12/20/06 06:56 PM
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I just want to offer another round of thanks to everyone that's contributed to this thread. Lots of really great advice here, and I appreciate all of it.

What you say, spiff, about a crummy sub making your music sound like poop, I think that's absolutely correct in my situation. My current sub shakes, rattles, and rolls the china out of the cabinet, but it can't replicate the fine detail of Yo Yo Ma's bow over his cello - and that's what I'm missing.

My mind is pretty much made up as to upgrading the sub first. Yes, my opinion has changed. It's becomming clear to me that the sub is currently the 'black sheep' in the herd. Whether I upgrade to M80's, B&W's, or some other brand, it doesn't matter. That ancient, boomy sub neds to be replaced with some fine offering from Axiom, SVS, or HSU. Why replace perfectly good m22's when it's the sub that's the crummy component? Right?

Perhaps it's time to just face the music and order an EP500.

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Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M
PeterChenoweth #152289 12/20/06 07:16 PM
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With whatever sub you end up getting, Axiom, Svs or Hsu I beleive you are in for an ear opening experiance. It's a good decision imo.


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Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M
PeterChenoweth #152290 12/20/06 08:54 PM
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Soon after we got the first EP600 in our house, I cued up the soundtrack from Master and Commander. It was just astounding to me - as a cello player I thought that I was actually sitting in the chair next to YoYo Ma - not one detail was missing. I vote for an Axiom sub - it passes the bow-over-his-cello test!

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Amie #152291 12/20/06 09:58 PM
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of course, she may be just a little biased

But that's okay, as so am I. The 500 (or 600) will definitely fill in the detail you would be missing. And then when you fire up the movie, it will provide the output to go along with it for the cannon fire.


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