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In another thread, we were talking about one... the Sherwood R-972, soon to be out. It looked like it had everything, including 6 HDMI v1.3 inputs and advanced codec support.
Of course, current receivers with HDMI v1.1 that are properly designed to handle 5.1 or 7.1 multichannel LPCM are up to the task of handling HD-DVD and Blu-ray audio (as long as the player can decode it).
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In another thread, we were talking about one... the Sherwood R-972, soon to be out. It looked like it had everything, including 6 HDMI v1.3 inputs and advanced codec support.
Of course, current receivers with HDMI v1.1 that are properly designed to handle 5.1 or 7.1 multichannel LPCM are up to the task of handling HD-DVD and Blu-ray audio (as long as the player can decode it).
I'm quite interested in this receiver. I was about to pull the trigger on a Yamaha RX-V1700 next month when I order my new Axiom speakers, but now I'm going to hold off until the new Sherwood is out to replace my exisiting receiver. Even though we don't really need HDMI 1.3 to enjoy the new audio formats, there's enough uncertainly out there to make me cautious.
Anyone out there have an idea when Axiom will start selling Sherwood's online?
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I'm curious to know where you got the info on the Sherwood R-972, it looks to be what I am looking for.
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Found this post in one of the HDMI 1.3 threads over at the avs forum. If this is true, it's not worth holding out for an HDMI 1.3 receiver. Quote:
It has been discussed on other threads that all HDDVDs have been mastered in enhanced (or it might have some other name) mode so the TrueHD HAS to be decoded in the player. It has also been stated that no studios have plans to author any HDDVD in a non enhanced mode, so based on this even if you have a 1.3 receiver it won't be doing the decoding of the audio anyways.
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I have seen lots of info like this recently as well, and from some very reputable people over at AVS. I don't doubt it is true.
It looks like the focus of decoding is moving to the players, mainly because of the interactive content features. As long as you have a HDMI 1.1/1.2 receiver that correctly handles multichannel PCM, you should be okay for a while.
The only thing remaining is for all the new HD-DVD and BD players to start supporting the advanced codecs. None of them will handle DTS-HD Master Audio yet, except for one that I am aware of currently. Not a big deal until things are more mainstream.
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As long as you have a HDMI 1.1/1.2 receiver that correctly handles multichannel PCM, you should be okay for a while.
Actually, they were saying you would be more than ok. From the thread I read there were a few people that kept saying they were holding out for 1.3. The response basically was "don't bother, 1.3 gives you nothing."
The reasoning was as follows. 1.3 mainly gives you 2 things. 1) Deep Color and 2) Uncompressed HD audio pass through.
So the next obvious question is why would I want/care about those items. I would be interested in deep color IF there was content that supported this. Unfortunately that won't be the case for a LONG time. Why? DVD doesn't support it, Blue Ray and HD DVD don't support it. They haven't worked out the dominance of either Blue Ray or HD DVD yet so there isn't likely to be another format for some time. HDTV doesn't support it and it's unlikely that OTA, Cable or Satellite will support it anytime soon.
Should I care about the audio pass through? The answer there was also no. The reason being that any titles that support "extended features" MUST be decoded by the player. They claim that very few (if any) titles will not contain "extended features" and therefore can't be decoded by the receiver.
If all this happens to be true (1 certainly is - I haven't done my own research on item 2 but no one seemed to disagree with those assertions), then HDMI 1.3 is mostly just marketing hype and has no relevence for at least the next 3 - 5 years.
Edit: Actually there is a source that will support deep color. PC and games. You still won't see any Movies etc with deep color. If you expect to want deep color from games over the next few years, then you might benefit from 1.3.
Here is a link to the thread discussing this.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=783574&page=5&pp=30
In particular look at the post by Bob Pariseau he pretty much sums it all up.
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You’ve made some very good points, however there are those like myself who will feel better waiting a few months for HDMI 1.3 receivers regardless.
I’m close to purchasing and Axiom Epic 60/500 system and was going to upgrade my current 8 year old Yamaha receiver to an RX-V1700 with HDMI 1.2a at the same time. But after reading the specs on the Sherwood Newcastle R-872 & R-972 I’ve decided to wait to replace my receiver with one of those. I fully realize that HDMI 1.3 is not necessary for me to enjoy HD picture and sound to the fullest. In fact I haven’t even bought into either Blu-ray or HD-DVD because of the format war—however I am leaning toward Blu-ray. It’s just that I want to own my next receiver for as long as possible and my safest bet would be to wait until the fall for one that has HDMI 1.3. The new format is out there, it will be utilized at some point. Maybe I’ll need it, maybe not. But I don’t want any buyer’s remorse on a $1500.00 item. From all the posts on the various sites debating this topic, the one thing we can all agree on is that there’s a great deal of uncertainly regarding the use of HDMI 1.3.
So what do I loose by waiting to upgrade my receiver? Right now, only the ability to utilize 2 centre rear speakers to obtain 7.1 in my home theatre room. Since I’m using standard DVD that amounts to not much at all at this point in time. I’ll also be able to compare how much better my new Axioms are than my old Energy speakers since I’m using my original receiver. I’ll only need to purchase a 5.1 configuration now and buy the extra 2 QS8’s when I get the receiver—hopefully by then Axiom will be selling Sherwood Newcastle’s online.
What do I gain by waiting for HDMI 1.3? Arguably a couple more features. Definitely peace of mind that I’ve bought the most current version of something that cost me a lot of money and that I don’t plan on replacing for a very long time.
But I am a realist and I know how the consumer industry works. By this time next year the newest toy will be out and I’ll be wishing I could find the money to upgrade. But as I keep telling my wife, “Eventually, I’ll have it all and won’t need to upgrade.”
“Yea, right,” she always says.
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It certainly comes down to preference. When I learned what others have echoed here before Christmas - that decoding will be encouraged in the players and ability to pass LPCM correctly will be sufficient in regards to audio - I jumped on the Yamaha 2700.
I don't factor in the video very much because in most cases I'd rather not use receiver switching if I didn't have to. Like you say, there will always be something new on the horizon.
I have a rule that once I buy something I trust I got the most I could get without waiting so long that I've become a habitual fence sitter. Then I refuse to beat myself up over anything new that suddenly appears.
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You’ve made some very good points, however there are those like myself who will feel better waiting a few months for HDMI 1.3 receivers regardless.
What do I gain by waiting for HDMI 1.3? Arguably a couple more features. Definitely peace of mind that I’ve bought the most current version of something that cost me a lot of money and that I don’t plan on replacing for a very long time.
If you have something that works now, there certainly is no need to rush out and get something.
That Sherwood is targeted for July/August, so it is more like 7 or 8 months.
Technology is a moving target so it's generally not worth waiting, unless there is a specific feature you need, or you don't really need to buy something.
There is nothing wrong with waiting for 1.3, as long as you know what you are waiting for. If it's deep color or TrueHD being passed to the receiver you will be dissapointed.
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