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Yeah Jim, that is the nice part. At least with Video stuff the prices seem to keep falling. My buddy got a 50" LCDRP set a couple years ago for $4500 and now you can pick that up for $1500. Heck, my year of paralysis by analysis saved me $1600 as the TV I wanted went down in price this past year. In 2 or 3 years, you can move that 58" into the bedroom and get a 86" in 2160P for $1000 less, or whatever technology is on the market. I was just reminiscing about my 8088 computer with a 40 meg hard drive and its 5.25 floppy disc drive I had back in '92  good luck on whatever TV you get. I hope you enjoy it.
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As was pointed out, all flat panel plasma and LCD sets are progressive scan, so any such 1080 set has to display the material at 1080p. If the incoming material is 1080i, the set deinterlaces it to 1080p so that it can be shown. If the incoming material is 1080p(rare)and the set can input 1080p, then no deinterlacing is necessary in the set. Theoretically this should be slightly superior, but if the deinterlacing in the set is good there may be no actual visible difference. So, the 1080i vs 1080p input capability may be of very little significance.
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As was pointed out, all flat panel plasma and LCD sets are progressive scan, so any such 1080 set has to display the material at 1080p. If the incoming material is 1080i, the set deinterlaces it to 1080p so that it can be shown. If the incoming material is 1080p(rare)and the set can input 1080p, then no deinterlacing is necessary in the set. Theoretically this should be slightly superior, but if the deinterlacing in the set is good there may be no actual visible difference. So, the 1080i vs 1080p input capability may be of very little significance.
Thats pretty much what I was trying to say.
The confusing thing to the average consumer that doesn't research this at all, is that "99.9%" (since ctown mentioned there was at least one wobbulated 1080i set) of monitors claiming to be 1080i, only do so with respect to the fact that it ACCEPTS a 1080i signal. So in fact it's not really a 1080i set, rather it's 760p.
In any case, if you can afford a 1080p set which has to have at least 1920x1080 resolution, it is worth the money.
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Re: Ready to upgrade
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So, the 1080i vs 1080p input capability may be of very little significance.
Exactly. Thats why its pretty funny when the sales clerks at A/V stores say "there is very little 1080P sources available, so you dont need a 1080P set...buy this 1080i one".
The fact is that converting 1080i source material to 1080P display is rather easy and if that is becoming the broadcast standard....why not buy it if the price isnt that much.
That being said, 1080i source material scaled down to a 720P display, still looks fantastic as well.
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There might not be very much 1080p content, but what you do see is better in my opinion. I can tell the difference. And while I understand the idea of wobulation and it's contribution to "video noise", I disagree with it's impact with HD source (which I presume if fair to use for judging). While my TV showed more noise in the image with all content when it arrived at my house, reducing sharpness and turning off 'features' like DNIe & digital noise eliminated most of it. I expect the image to get even more film like post calibration. I wouldn't just attribute it all to wobulation and move on. Especially if you're half blind like me 
My M60's make me listen
My M80's make my ears hear
Either way - I'm not deaf anymore
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Re: Ready to upgrade
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I wouldn't just attribute it all to wobulation and move on. Especially if you're half blind like me
X94Blair, your Samsung TV has a really great picture which instantly stands out on a showroom floor. I'm not attacking DLP, nor am I promoting the brand that I chose. Based upon purchasing pshchology, we all buy for different reasons.
Appearance: How the product looks or makes the purchaser look. B&W owners vs. Axiom owners.
Performance: How the product performs, features it has, etc. Axiom owners vs. B&W owners.
Economics: Price or long term cost.
Comfort and convenience: Internet direct, vs haggling with a salesman.
Safety and security: buying a reliable car vs. a sporty car.
I am a performance motivated buyer. So if I know that a Sharp LCD, Sony projection, HP DLP are using some form of "bobbing" or "wobulation" to gain resolution, where some other brands are just using a better video processor, I will chose the brand with the better processor. That is MY personal preference(not everybody elses)
For what its worth, the ISF calibrator I talked to said the Samsung DLP, Panasonic Plasma, Sony XBR2, JVC HDILA and Mits DLP all had excellent video processors and were his favorite sets.
Bigjim asked about the Panny plasma or LCD in his OP. I think the panny plasma is his best bet. I hope he gets a set he likes and am happy you like yours.
Al
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Re: Ready to upgrade
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I'm sure I probably jacked the thread.
All I meant to say was in the case of DLP I think it's a disservice to say wobulation and move on. The science doesn't equal the reality in all cases. With that in mind, I was only offering the counterpoint in case others wandered by and left thinking "DLP are inherently unsuitable by design" without considering them.
As you say, I enjoy my gear, that's my biggest concern and what I think everyone should be focusing on. There's little point or room for "fan-boy" antics.
If anything debating the effects of wobulation was my way saying "ignore the science and go with what you like!".
Sorry if I came across otherwise, all good here and I'll step out of the conversation. If it came down to plasma -vs- LCD and that was the initial question I agree I'd go plasma.
Enjoy!
My M60's make me listen
My M80's make my ears hear
Either way - I'm not deaf anymore
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