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Re: Axiom vs. $80,000 System....
Haoleb #155870 01/17/07 03:24 AM
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when i upgraded my integrated amp to mono's and a preamp i noticed the biggest difference in sound out of all the other upgrades i have done, minus speakers.

I would say maybe Speakers then amps.




Yeah, I've hooked 3 AVRs up to my M80s, and they all had a different sound to them. The lower end Onkyo I had was unable to play the M80s at the same SPLs as my mid end Yamaha. I was afraid to hook my old Sony AVR up to my M80s. There are plenty of people who are in a position where a receiver upgrade would come before M80s.

Suggesting separates for the M80s is sound advice. Pun intended. Perhaps not for sound quality so much as sheer volume-and people tend to have a preference for higher SPLs. Except neighbors. I'd almost go so far to say that if you wanted to get speakers notably better than the M80s, your money is better spent first on getting separates. I'm just making this all up.

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LOUDSPEAKERS, by far..now, the dream of owning a system that will present music like his system is pretty difficult due to cost....there is a reason you heard full orchestrations in his home. I hear he exact same thing.....I run MBL loudspeakers and Boulder amps. That alone is a $120,000 investment. You want to know a secret....a budget system can be put together that comes darn close.....treat your room like a small jazz hall, or a smokey little gin house....intimate..up close......now, find your speakers first....the best you can afford. then good amps or.....and integrated. next, a kick butt source..cd player,,,something like a rega or audio refinement alpha complete (just got one on audiogon for $450.00) Anti-cables are great! staightwire with minimal coating for speaker wire....brutally honest. Here is my secret.....Axiom M60's, Classic 6.6 integrated, audio refinement alpha complete, Teac x-2000r reel to reel. a slice of heaven....with the axioms being the most expensive!!!!!! YOU MUST, AT ALL COST RUN A FRONT THAT IS HIGH QUALITY THRU THE AXIOMS, THEY NEED GOOD EQUIPMENT!!! The axioms are that good! You notice I did not buy the M80's....to big, to "forceful" in nature. The extra tweeter and mid are designed for loud playing.....loud! The 60's are a much more refined, delicate design.....with a gorgeous midrange...where the music is. I find myself now, sitting in my smokey little pub enjoying music like never before. The other stuff? eye candy.....wow factor....thats it. This should be "confessions of an audiophile" hope this helped a little.

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You notice I did not buy the M80's....to big, to "forceful" in nature. The extra tweeter and mid are designed for loud playing.....loud! The 60's are a much more refined, delicate design.....with a gorgeous midrange...where the music is.




Quite an interesting note. I take it you listen to both in the same environment?


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pennstythe #155873 01/17/07 05:48 AM
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Good choice of speakers......I do, SOOOOOO enjoy my "much more refined, delicate designed, with gorgeous midrange"...... Axiom M60's.

The M60's have "played second fiddle" to the M80's, LONG ENOUGH!
Perhaps NOW, they can take their rightful place...as Axiom's "flagship" speakers!


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I sure do wish there was someone close to me to hear these "delicate" gems . It would be nice to listen to Axioms best speaker


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Wid #155875 01/17/07 03:19 PM
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Heard 'em both. M80s win.


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Ken.C #155876 01/17/07 03:23 PM
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I don't know about you M80 owners. I heard, quite a few times, that the M80s sound the same as the M60s they only play louder . I haven't heard Randy say that one in a while, oh never mind he's a M80 owner now.


Rick


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Wid #155877 01/17/07 03:35 PM
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To be absolutely fair, it's been a long time since I've heard M60s, and a short time since I've heard M80s. I've never compared them back to back, and audial memory is notoriously terrible--you can't remember accurately for more than about 30 seconds or so, at best.


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Wid #155878 01/17/07 06:39 PM
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Rick,

I have not forgotten.....we WILL get together, I'm still trying to get my "ducks in a row"..(they are all over the yard right now)

I not only want to hear your M80's, I ALSO want you to experience my top-of-the-line M60's!

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Re: Axiom vs. $80,000 System....
Wid #155879 01/17/07 07:14 PM
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Whenever I was kicking around the idea of using my 60s as a pair of center channels I did do a side by side ... even placed the 60s right where the 80s are located and I didn't hear where the 60s sounded any better than the 80s either through the Rotel amp or using the H/K's amps/processors. From day one upon receiving my 80s I've always thought the 80s were simply a better sounding speaker ... all the way around.



Oh BTW ... I'm in the process of painting the wall in back of the TV a Burgundy/Red color and am building a pair of narrower, floor to ceiling bass traps as well as *finally* getting the trim and other details in the room finished. These GIK traps work well but to me they look way too cumbersome, I'll shoot 'y'all some pics of the finished room.


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