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#162339 - 03/22/07 05:20 PM Another help with a receiver question.
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After waiting six weeks for Dakmart to get a Denon 4806 in stock, I cancelled my order and again am looking for a new receiver.
I'm now considering the 4806CI and the 4306, My only real needs are that the receiver is black, has HDMI and some type of room setup system such as Audyssey.
My price range is between $1500.00 and $2600.00, I have really only looked at Denons so any suggestion on other brands would be great. I'm also debating on waiting for a new batch of receivers to hit the market, but I doubt if I want to wait that long. Thanks
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#162340 - 03/22/07 05:29 PM Re: Another help with a receiver question. [Re: HomeDad]
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If I were you, I would look at the MPS-1 from Emotiva, and look at their pre-pros too. You can spend around $2600 for an amazing combo with 1400 watts all channels driven...sounds better than any receiver I know of for that price.

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#162341 - 03/22/07 05:37 PM Re: Another help with a receiver question. [Re: HomeDad]
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Audyssey in:

Marantz SR7001, SR8001
Onkyo TX-SR674, TX-SR604
plus the Denons

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#162342 - 03/22/07 06:41 PM Re: Another help with a receiver question. [Re: Hutzal]
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They new Emotiva prepros will also include an autosetup feature, however, at this point it is unclear if it will be their own technology, or an existing product like Odyssey.
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#162343 - 03/22/07 11:27 PM Re: Another help with a receiver question. [Re: SirQuack]
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Quote:

They new Emotiva prepros will also include an autosetup feature, however, at this point it is unclear if it will be their own technology, or an existing product like Odyssey.




Is that like Homer's Iliad and Odyssey !

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#162344 - 03/23/07 12:25 PM Re: Another help with a receiver question. [Re: HomeDad]
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I forgot, do you have 80ís? is your system 5 or 7.1?

John will tell you to pick up one of the Yamaha RX knock offs or an Onkyo. After reading just about all the manuals of both of those lines, I had narrowed my choice down to the 2700 and the 804. Power output may / may not be enough for you if you are running M80ís. John will tell you they are, and heís probably right. Yamaha does have its own room EQ system, as well as Pioneer. Some folks like them, some donít. The Pioneerís have a LFE boost problem that a firmware download is Ďsupposedí to fix. I donít like Pioneer, so I didnít research them all that much, but the 84 seams to be popular.

Emotiva at this time does not have anything that will process LPMC via HDMI.

Iím not even going to mention that Ďotherí brand with the silver and black cases.

Gotta love them DenonsÖÖthey have a lot of features that no one cares about until you find yourself saying ďI sure wish I could ÖÖĒ Itís too bad you gave up on the 4806, I think that unit would have been about perfect for me. Really, I was just waiting to hear back from you before buying one. The CI version has the Video Processor in it, which, wellÖ.sucks. Sorry Denon fans, but their integrated VPís suck unless you pop for the 5xxx serris AVRís. Their new AVRís are rumored to have some good VPís (ABT and Genum), but only time will tell if they do are not. But even if they do, Denon can either screw them up or get it right. Take the new (and hottest) JVS-RS1 projector with a Genum processor in it for example. JVC totally screwed up one of the best processors on the planet right now. Itís just about friggin worthless.

Iíve have my Marantz 8001 for a couple months now, I think. Time sure flies when you donít pay attention to itÖ.

I still love the way it sounds. There are some things about it that I really like, but I find myself wishing it would do some of things that the Denons do. Like:

- process discrete 6/7.1 LPCM (it will only matrix from 5.1)
- independent LFE adjustment with Multi Channel surround mode over DD and DTS (Denons do this)
- independent X-over adjustment for each channel (Denons do this)
- HDMI output switching with discrete IR (why have two outputs if you canít use both?)
- Display all seven channels when in use instead of only five (how stupid could they have been to display only five channels on a seven channel AVR?)

Personally, Iíd just pick up a 3806 or a Marantz 7001. You can find both for under a grand. Iíd buy one of them with the clear intention of buying something different within one year. I think within one year, we will have many more options available to us for HD audio as BR and HD becomes more popular. Save some money for now and buy a case of Provinence's 03 Cab.
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#162345 - 03/23/07 12:53 PM Re: Another help with a receiver question. [Re: michael_d]
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I'm running the 80's in a 7.1 system, I would have considered the Emotivia but I'm already using an Aragon 2005 to drive 5 channels.
The 4806 is still my first choice but I'm having a hard time finding one at the right price, I don't need the extra features of the CI.
At this point I'm in no great hurry, but I'd sure like to listen to some Tru HD and my SACD's again.
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#162346 - 03/23/07 05:21 PM Re: Another help with a receiver question. [Re: HomeDad]
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Well Iím very happy to report that I just stumbled across one of my ďwish it would doĒ features.

I watched the Covenant BR the other night and couldnít make but half way through it. The LFE was low. So Iíve been screwing around with channels and the Avia calibration disk today. Well, I accidentally stumbled onto the M-Channel / Multi channel input channel adjust feature!! Way cool! I can set up the channels on ALL the different PCM inputs differently, including the sub.

I suppose I better read that ownerís manual againÖ..

In case youíre wondering why this is so exciting, well it has to do with HD audio. For some reason or other, Uncompressed Multi-channel PCM data streams are not all the same from the different players. In other words, there is no standard like with regular DVD or TV broadcasts. With DVD/TV there is a standard 10 DB boost on the LFE channel. My PS 3 sorta has this, but itís not 10 DBís. Itís closer to 5 DB. My Toshiba HD-X1 is zero. Both of these machines play Bitsream DD and DTS just fine, but who cares? That isnít HD audio.

For the Toshiba, I am using the 7.1 analogue inputs because the Marantz allows for 7.1 channel adjustments. So Iím good to go with the Toshiba.

For SD dvd, that works just fine as is.

Now finally for my PS3, I can adjust the M-channel PCM inputs.

Before, the LFE was all over the place from these three different players, now they are all equal. Much-mo-betterÖÖ

One more point for Marantz.

As far as your SACD's, they sound fantastic on the Marantz. With the latest firmware update for my Oppo 970, I couldn't be happier. I can even apply PLIIx to 5.1 stuff.
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#162347 - 03/26/07 03:58 PM Re: Another help with a receiver question. [Re: michael_d]
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I just got a PFD review on the 8001. I can't copy and paste it to a posting though. Marantz tech set it to me today.

The reveiwer (Chris Martens) gave it a ten out of ten for music sound quality.

http://us.marantz.com/Products/1875.asp

Just click the review tab.
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#162348 - 03/28/07 12:49 AM Re: Another help with a receiver question. [Re: michael_d]
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The Marantz is getting added to the short list also, I'm on a rickety fence right now, I want the 4806 but they are getting harder to find at decent prices, the 4306 is nice but is not that much different from the mid level Denons, so maybe a Marantz SR7001 or even really save some cash and just get the Denon 2807, this whole thing is really starting to give me a headache
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