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Re: Auditioned CD Player in my HT last night
bridgman #165674 04/22/07 05:20 AM
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Hey, I know that one...

CAT, the other white meat




Hmm...the hatred of cats taken to the next level. I kinda like that.

I wonder how cat tastes? Stringy maybe?



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Re: Auditioned CD Player in my HT last night
danmagicman7 #165675 04/22/07 10:32 AM
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I wonder how cat tastes? Stringy maybe?




It all depends whether you're using a burr brown digital fork, or a regular one......


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danmagicman7 #165676 04/22/07 10:35 AM
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I don't know about domestic cat but I did try lion years ago. It was real strong tasting meat; I didn't go back for seconds that's for sure.


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Re: Auditioned CD Player in my HT last night
Wid #165677 04/22/07 02:44 PM
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I always imagined cat tasting unpleasantly like cat food...

... of course I mean "the way cat food *probably* tastes based on the way it smells"

It's not that I hate cats, I just resent their sneering domination of humans.

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Re: Auditioned CD Player in my HT last night
SirQuack #165678 04/22/07 07:38 PM
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Chris,

First of all, you have not been around long enough to know some of these people and their backgrounds. Secondly, it is JohnK not JohnS. Thirdly, I don't see any of them calling you names like anal, negative, nasty, vindictive, calous, venom, etc. Maybe it is time for you to change jobs or whatever, seems your a little defensive for whatever reason. Not sure they are the ones that need to grow up. jmfo




I've been here long enough. John and Chess went too far and came across as a bit callous to me with descriptors like "ignorant" and "fantasy". It wasn't worth mentioning until now because I didn't take offence, but I can understand why Chris did.


Don’t know about cat, but I’ve had dog. I was scared for life after finding out that was what I ate.

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michael_d #165679 04/22/07 10:30 PM
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Here is a recent thread that reviews this topic in more detail. In that thread , I posted a couple of long posts discussing the whys and hows of DACs and formats. I tried to keep the technical jargon down. The analog vs. digital connection discussion is a red herring in a way because all digital signals needs to get converted to analog somewhere in the equipment chain. The better question to ask is where is it best to convert the digital signal. The answer will depend on the quality of your equipment with the quality of DAC being of prime importance, though not the only factor.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=161844&an=0&page=2#Post161844


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jakeman #165680 04/23/07 03:11 AM
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I also took offence to the "fantasy" quip. And Chesseroo laughing at "the ridiculous content of this thread". Because of my support of Chris's findings, these comments were directed at me as well.

I've always been skeptical of the boutique CD players with the vibration isolation feet and so on. Every CD & DVD player I've owned has sounded identical - regardless of connection path. Plus, I somewhat agree with John about recievers/amps sounding the same - BUT AT LOW LEVELS. Past that, I believe they can sound different. So going in, I wasn't expecting anything. But when Chris did the switch, (same CD) I DID HEAR A DIFFERENCE, and I was shocked because I wasn't expecting it. (Chris has his equipment behind the listening position so at the time, I thought he was just putting in another CD)

Regardless, I didn't hear enough of a difference, and I don't do enough "critical" listening to justify the $600 price tag. But Chris does, and that's all that matters. I've got friends and relatives that think I'm nuts for spending $3900 on the Epic 80/600, but to me it was worth every penny.

I don't care whether you believe me or not, but I certainly didn't appreciate (or expect) to be laughed at, or be told that I live in a fantasy world.


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michael_d #165681 04/23/07 03:24 AM
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I like to bridge the two "science" vs. "faith" camps when I can. Faith, you say? Yes. If you think you hear a difference between Item A and Item B after a subjective listening session, but you haven't done any tests to verify that difference objectively and beyond any doubt -- this kind of testing is tedious and requires persistence, patience, and the right equipment -- then conclusively stating that a real difference does exist is like saying you can levitate rocks, but only when nobody is looking. That's what it seems like to a trained scientist or someone familiar with the scientific method, anyway.

Some people just take their science more seriously than others. If they offend you, it is your right to let them know. Just know that it hurts their brain when something is stated as fact without adequate verification.

Also remember that the only thing that matters at the end of the day, with respect to audio, is that you enjoy the music and/or movies. Some of us are fussy over the equipment. Others are happy as clams with their HTIBs or BOSE systems. Thank goodness for non uniformity.

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jakeman #165682 04/23/07 04:10 AM
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>>The analog vs. digital connection discussion is a red herring in a way because all digital signals needs to get converted to analog somewhere in the equipment chain.

I think the analog vs. digital connection is relevant for the specific topic of comparing two CD players, but I agree in general you are going to want to optimize the configuration across the entire system, and changing one component may mean that you need to operate other components in a different way now for best results.

Now, ignoring all that for a moment...

How many people here believe that you can have an audible sound difference between players when playing CD if you are using a digital PCM connection to the receiver in both cases ? In other words, do we believe that the audible difference between players comes on the analog side or the digital side or both ?

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Re: Auditioned CD Player in my HT last night
bridgman #165683 04/23/07 04:25 AM
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Analog transfer is less reliable. In other words, you can be less sure that the signal on one end of the cable will be identical at the other end of the cable.

I came across the following enlightening forum post a couple weeks ago. It talks about HDMI cables, but the lesson applies to all cables.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=828972

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