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#167681 - 05/08/07 12:15 AM M80 vs. Infinity Beta?
skrull Offline
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Hey folks,

I am trying to decide between a pair of M80's and a pair of Infinity Beta 50's. The Betas are my favorites in my price range of all of the B&M stores I've been to (beating out similarly-priced Polk, Klipsch, Definitive, etc.) and I am working on setting up an audition so I can hear the M80's before making a decision. In the meantime however, have any of you who've heard both care to comment?

In the way of additional information, my setup will be used pretty much exclusively for music (mostly rock and classical) and will be driven by a Harman Kardon AVR-247. This is my first 'real' system, so any tips you can give me would be appreciated.

Thanks,
skrull

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#167682 - 05/08/07 12:21 AM Re: M80 vs. Infinity Beta? [Re: skrull]
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I've owned some Infinity products in the past, not the Beta 50's. It is my opinion that Axiom speakers are really in a higher league.

As you stated your working on setting up an audition. That is what sold me, and I almost purchased some B&W 703's. I think you will be pleasantly suprised at what you hear.
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#167683 - 05/08/07 01:16 AM Re: M80 vs. Infinity Beta? [Re: skrull]
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Hi skrull,

I responded to your pm about setting up an audition.

Dean
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#167684 - 05/08/07 09:46 AM Re: M80 vs. Infinity Beta? [Re: grunt]
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Grunt's house will be a rockin.....
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#167685 - 05/12/07 06:00 PM Re: M80 vs. Infinity Beta? [Re: SirQuack]
skrull Offline
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Grunt was kind enough to allow me to audition his M80's this morning, and I wanted to post my reactions and see what everyone thought. To try out these speakers, I brought along some Led Zeppelin (bass and dynamics), Pink Floyd (acoustic guitar, drums from "Time," female vocals from "Great Gig in the Sky"), and Eagles (piano and male vocals) to represent what rock music I listen to. For instrumental music, I brought Vivaldi (Four Seasons) and Holst ("Mars" from The Planets).

Overall, I was very impressed by the M80's. In particular, their detail was unlike anything else I've heard. This was particularly apparent to me with Vivaldi; being able to hear each part seperately is not something I can do on my current setup. The drums from Pink Floyd's "Time" were also very impressive in this regard. And now I finally understand what people mean when they talk about a "soundstage."

The power and depth of the bass sounded great to me also, although the clarity seemed less impressive. On the other hand, I'm currently using cheap Panasonic bookshelf speakers, so actually hearing the bass is a little new for me.

As I mentioned above, my favorite speakers from the B&M stores were the Infinity Beta 50's. Since it had been a while since I heard them, I stopped in to listen to them again on my way back from grunt's. Coming right after the M80 audition, it was much easier to see the Beta's weaknesses. I still like them; I just have to agree that the M80s are in a different league.

So, those were my impressions. I'm going to think about it for another day or two, but anticipate placing an order with Axiom. Unfortunately, I'm set on the Boston Cherry finish and am way too cheap to consider NOT buying from the factory, so it looks like I have a 6 week wait ahead of me.

Any thoughts? Disagreements? Anything I might have missed? Advice is always welcome. And thanks again for having me over, grunt.

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#167686 - 05/12/07 08:17 PM Re: M80 vs. Infinity Beta? [Re: skrull]
grunt Offline
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Your welcome skrull. Thanks for posting your impressions so fast. Iím glad that you liked the M80s. I canít guaranty anything but when I placed my factory outlet order it actually shipped in 4 weeks rather than 6 but I was buying around Christmas time so Iím not sure if that made a difference.

Also thanks for showing me what Iím missing on the music side. Since Iíve been using my axioms almost strictly for movies and gaming I had no idea what they were capable of.

As for less clarity in the bass than the higher frequencies I have a feeling that has more to do with my room acoustics than the M80s. Just like I was mentioning about my subwoofer sounding better off to the side rather than in front the dimensions of the room dictated I put the M80s at one of the long ends otherwise there just wouldnít be enough room behind the seat for the rear sound field to have any depth.

If you do go ahead and get them please let everyone know how they work in your room.

Cheers,

Dean
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#167687 - 05/13/07 11:09 PM Re: M80 vs. Infinity Beta? [Re: grunt]
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Dean,

How did you have your sub/crossover settings calibrated? This may have also played a role in what you were hearing in regards to bass, but most likely it was the room environment.
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#167688 - 05/13/07 11:48 PM Re: M80 vs. Infinity Beta? [Re: SirQuack]
grunt Offline
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Randy,

I had the receiver set to LFE plus mains, and just turned the subwoofer off with the power switch. That should have sent the full range to the M80s or did I screw that up? Skrull is mainly interested in stereo audio so we didnít listen to any movies or 5.1 soundtracks.

Iíve been having low frequency issues from the start. Actually I was reading the link on your website on subwoofer number and locations earlier today.

Dean
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#167689 - 05/14/07 12:04 AM Re: M80 vs. Infinity Beta? [Re: grunt]
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I know when I've done auditions and people just want to hear 80's with no sub, I usually go into the receiver setup and turn the sub setting to "off" or "none", whatever the receiver calls it, and the 80's set to large.

In my setup, I usually keep all speakers to small, with a crossover of 80hz on the receiver.
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#167690 - 05/14/07 12:15 AM Re: M80 vs. Infinity Beta? [Re: grunt]
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Dean, that would be one way(although rather roundabout)of having just the mains playing full-range on stereo material.
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