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#167963 - 05/11/07 11:42 AM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: Mojo]
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I agree with the others, since you have a larger room it will be harder to fill the room with the low bass. Try moving the speakers closer to the back and side walls if possible.
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#167964 - 05/11/07 11:51 AM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: SirQuack]
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Not likely the problem, but worth mentioning... make sure the M3s are in fact wired in phase with each other.
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#167965 - 05/11/07 12:00 PM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: dllewel]
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I've had that issue, and it's bloody obvious that there's a problem when you do. Worth looking into.
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#167966 - 05/11/07 12:32 PM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: Ken.C]
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The 1st thing I checked was that they were wired correctly as I've been known to make mistakes. The speakers have been moved closer to the rear wall and it made a significant difference.

I really think the biggest problem was my expectations. I've heard so many great things about these speakers that I figured they would be perfect in every way. There is plenty of time for me listen and figure out if the Axioms are for me.

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#167967 - 05/11/07 12:43 PM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: strat63]
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Are they sitting on stands?
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#167968 - 05/11/07 12:47 PM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: SirQuack]
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They are not on stands. They are sitting on a BDI A/V cabinet that is 23" off the ground. It actually keeps the tweeters about ear level in my normal listening position. While stands might give me better performance, my wife has exercised her veto power on the issue. This adds to the difficulty of moving the speakers around to a better location.

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#167969 - 05/11/07 02:11 PM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: strat63]
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If they are enclosed in the A/V cabinet, you will suffer some loss in performance. Try isolating them from the cabinet surface with some raisers. Also, try to bring the front of the speaker to the front of the cabinet to minimize diffraction effects.

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#167970 - 05/11/07 02:14 PM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: strat63]
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Are the M3's isolated from the cabinet? I found the bass improved significantly for my M22's once I put little rubber feet on the bottom of them.

Just wondering on what your thoughts are for the Era's versus the M3's? Are they as detailed, more detailed or is it just the better bass that you prefer. Maybe an off the cuff review would be in order here. I for one am interested, I would bet others would like to hear your thoughts comparing the 2 as well.
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#167971 - 05/11/07 03:01 PM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: jakewash]
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My speakers are on top of the cabinet. The top is 23" off the ground. It is designed for a flat panel monitor.

The Era 4's are very impressive but are also $600 vs $330. As far as detail, I think both are very similar. The bass response is what sets them apart. The speaker is tiny but sounds huge. The only thing I didn't like was the size, almost too small. They looked odd sitting next to my TV.

One other issue I've heard with the Era's is that they need a solid amp to push them. My Cambridge Audio amp is 60 watts with a 8 ohm load and worked well. I'm trying to get a set of the Era 5 which is a little bigger than the 4 and might be more what I'm looking for. At $900, I'd hope they'd blow me away.

The bottom line is that I think the Era 4 sounded a little bit better than the M3 but I'm not purchasing them just yet. The price of the M3 is so good that I might deal with a little less bass. I can always add a sub down the road.

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#167972 - 05/11/07 03:46 PM Re: New M3's lacking low end. Any suggestions? [Re: strat63]
Mojo Offline
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Put the money you'd be saving with buying M3s towards a sub.

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