Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Technical Questions M60 + Sub

I read your OPINION and I do not agree with it. It is my OPINION that $700 spent on a quality sub will bring more to the music presentation than any dollar amount spent on a new cd player. It has been my experience that different cd players have very little, if any, difference in sound. Adding a good quality sub to any speaker will have a far greater impact.

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To all - you're entitled to change your mind on this Forum without embarassment, unless you have a BIG EGO.

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It really does no good being a newbe smartass either. You asked for our thoughts and we gave them to you. I just so happens not everyone agreed with you, it does not make us wrong.

I'm not sure how to break it down further--You've got a CDP. While it might not quite produce the output you want (you seem to only have your friend's word on it that it will if you trade up for a $700 one), a sub will add bottom end bass. This will matter for a lot of rock and pop, organ music, and probably jazz recorded in the last 30 years or so. The CDP will likely be a minor change; a properly calibrated, quality sub will be a major change.

I did not notice a change in CD quality when I went from my 10 year old JVC (analog outputs) to a modern Yamaha (digital output+SACD, DVD-A, etc, etc.) I have not heard a tube CDP, in all honesty. However, I must take issue with people who say that I can't have an opinion on anything unless I have experienced it first hand.

There is of course the question of whether you want more bass.

By the way (new post in case you already read my last one)

The best way to tell if that $700 CDP will make a difference is for your friend to bring it over to your house. Put the same CD in both your CDP and his. Set them up on your preamp. Press play at the same time. Oe of you (him) would be standing next to the preamp (or with the remote) and would switch back and forth between the two at random times. It would be preferable if you did not know which one was playing at any given time. Then you can see for yourself what/how much/if there's any difference. It's only single blind testing, but that should be good enough for an informal test.

Don't forget to keep the listening volume exactly the same, or the louder one (even if by a Decibel or so) will almost always sound better.

Right, I forgot about that. That may pose a difficulty if one has a louder output than the other. I'm used to doing this with speakers, separate receivers, etc... Been awhile since I've done components.

wid:

1. I am not on this Forum to create disharmony, period. If you perceive what I have said is disharmonious, then you should have the courtesy to inform me so in private, so I can make a decsion as to whether I'm in the 'wrong' (so I can correct it"), or, whether you have misconstrued that which I have said.

2. How you found me to be a newbie 'smart ass" is beyond my wildest imagination. I have been nothing but cordial and respectful on this Forum, and after reading everything that I have writen, l couldn't agree with myself more. I agree that sometimes I interject humour, but that is so seldom, that it can be dismissed.

3. If I have written something that offends you, or others, and obviously I have, have the constitution to tell me what I said that was out of line. If I believe I was out of line, I will apologize. If I said something that you believe is out of line, I will apologize. If I believe that you were wrong, I will state so.

4. wid, get a sense of humour - I guarentee you that with the info that you provide on this Forum, 'no one is after you'. We appreciate the info you contribute. And I also guarentee that if some is 'after you", they'll be snagged in a 'rat trap'.

5. Despite what was said, I appreciate the URL to Pacific.

kcarlile:

I think that was the answer I was looking for.

I'm going to so summarise in my words, and you tell me if where I'm wrong:

1. so long as the CDP is of reasonable quality, which is to say, it sounds good to you, it doesn't matter which one you get

2. the sub is going to supplement the shortcomings in the CDP.

3. end of story?

trollzarian,

I find it interesting that you fail to see your sarcastic nature to people that have been members around here for 3-5+ years, and carry great respect by the other members.

You obviously have not been around enough to know these people. Your either pretty immature, or carry a big ego to make comments like that to Rick.

If you don't want people to respond to your questions, don't ask questions. You seem to know all the answers and dislike feedback from people that have been around AV most likely longer than you've been born.

Take a chill pill.

peace out

My point is, I don't think your CDP has shortcomings. It may not output sound with the characteristics that you would expect from a tubed device, but unless it's seriously a POS, it's reproducing what's on the CD accurately.

A sub would change what you hear more than a CDP--it's adding another driver, and I think we can all agree that speakers make the most difference in the sound your system makes, by a long shot.

Ahh, lovely...who remembers Stoneman??