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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
HomeDad #174551 08/15/07 05:16 PM
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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
2x6spds #174554 08/15/07 05:42 PM
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2x6, I do not dispute what you are hearing whatsoever. Again, you're going on the assumption that I have an insatiable desire to contradict you at every turn. In fact, I myself have heard (with my own ears, no less) the phenomenon you describe. My M22s, just one pair of speakers, often produce sounds that seem to be emanate from outside the area between the speakers. Even well off the the sides and behind me.

What I did in my last post was dispute your explanation of the phenomenon which I know well. When playing the right material, speakers are perfectly capable of throwing images around the room with no assistance from, to coin a term of convenience, "sympathetic radiators." Heck, my laptop even has an audio control panel where I can make its speakers simulate surround effects. Your theory works for you because it seems plausible. And judging by the beliefs you espouse here, plausibility is enough for you to recategorize a hunch into a fact. You probably haven't even tried removing all the speakers which you believe are adding to the total sound produced by your TV. That's who you are and you certainly have a right to post your beliefs.

When I disagree with you and choose to post about it, it is because I want the information passed on here to be accurate, or at least to reflect reality as closely as possible. I called out your theory -- and it is a theory -- because personal experience shows me that inactive speakers are not responsible for this effect.

That would be a triumph of experience over theory, would it not?

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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
pmbuko #174555 08/15/07 05:43 PM
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Oh, be all logical and stuff.

Logic has no place in consumer electronics.

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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
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Mojo #174557 08/15/07 06:09 PM
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To attempt to drag this back on topic, do you guys with outboard amps who switched from receivers (cgolf, SirQ, etc.) think that it makes a difference even at low, low volumes, around 60 dB, maybe a bit less? Or is it just when you start getting up to 75-80dB? (note that this is an honest question, not a setup for a smackdown)

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Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
Ken.C #174558 08/15/07 06:30 PM
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I'm not going to be able to explain this technically or probably to many people's satisfaction. However, even at low volumes, what I have now is clearer, crisper, fuller and more distinct than what I had with my Yamaha receiver. What's interesting to me is that there is only a 35wpc difference between the yamaha receiver amp and the Emotiva amp. A friend of mine told me that the biggest difference (even at lower volumes) was a greater presence of lows / bass because of the stronger amps. He said that this new amp was not as strained as the Yammie amp so it had more headroom to push the lows. I'm sure I'm losing something in the interpretation but when he told me it made sense. There is a stronger presense of lows with this new amp which may be a key reason for everything else. The sound seems to have more punch than before (not a good description). Again, all I know is that I would much rather listen to the Emotiva combo than the Yamaha receiver.

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cgolf #174559 08/15/07 06:47 PM
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cgolf, I'm not going to speculate on whether or not you hear a difference. I'll take your word for it. Your friend's explanation about "stronger amps" and "more headroom" leave much to be desired, however. At any given volume, a watt is a watt, no matter how many more are available.

I have to admit, if I had two amps noticed a definite improvement with one versus the other, I'd try really hard verify that difference was actually there and not just in my head. Once verified, however, I could care less why it was better.

Re: Speakers and Equipment-both make a difference
Ken.C #174560 08/15/07 07:01 PM
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Just to state my position up front, I'm not sure where I stand on the issue.

I've never had a reasonable way to do a proper A/B, but years ago I owned a NAD preamp and 2200PE power amp and things definitely didn't sound as good when I decided I wanted Dolby Surround instead of stereo and moved to a mid-range Technics receiver.

I don't remember there being a difference at low volumes, but at "normal" volumes and louder there was a lack of dynamics (yes, "punch") with the receiver.

There's been mention of a difference in bass, but I'm not sure how reasonable that is these days when powered subs are the norm. In my case, the bass was absolutely "tighter, punchier", but that was with passive sub in-line with my mains....I'm not sure what kind of load it presented.

Again, I've never A/B'd, but I'd buy a separate amp/preamp setup if I were in a larger room. I couldn't justify it at the moment with my room size.


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