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My explanation of what my friend said was probably not accurate and his explanation may not have an ounce of truth or logic to it. I think what confuses / bothers me with any of the pushback or argument in this thread is that how can anyone say that someone is not hearing a difference, if they say they are, regardless of what's causing it. I've said all along, I don't have the technical expertise to explain the differences in what I'm hearing. But I know what I'm hearing vs. what I was hearing, period. I don't know that I really care why, I just care that what I have now is much better than what I had before. Logically to me, it makes perfect sense. I understand that wpc are wpc just like golf clubs are golf clubs but there are differences in both equipment (amps) and golf clubs. I'm getting real off track here!!!!!
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To attempt to drag this back on topic, do you guys with outboard amps who switched from receivers (cgolf, SirQ, etc.) think that it makes a difference even at low, low volumes, around 60 dB, maybe a bit less? Or is it just when you start getting up to 75-80dB? (note that this is an honest question, not a setup for a smackdown)
Do I need another excuse to spend money?
When I switched from the 3805 to the Outlaws (see sig) for my mains, I heard no difference of any kind in SQ at low volumes. I'd approximate that there was difference from about 80db onward in terms of cleanliness and 'punch'.
Epic 80 / SVS PB13 Ultra
Denon 3805 / M2200 Outlaw Monos /
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That's what I needed to hear. Now I can go spend that money on computer parts--errr... I mean save my money.
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What's interesting to me is that there is only a 35wpc difference between the yamaha receiver amp and the Emotiva amp. A friend of mine told me that the biggest difference (even at lower volumes) was a greater presence of lows / bass because of the stronger amps. He said that this new amp was not as strained as the Yammie amp so it had more headroom to push the lows. I'm sure I'm losing something in the interpretation but when he told me it made sense. There is a stronger presense of lows with this new amp which may be a key reason for everything else. The sound seems to have more punch than before (not a good description). Again, all I know is that I would much rather listen to the Emotiva combo than the Yamaha receiver.
There isn't just a 35W/channel difference. The Emotiva, as I said before, is rated a clean 225W/channel into 4 Ohms. The Yammi is rated 90W/channel into 8 Ohms. That is a tremendous difference IF you like listening "loud".
And I know what you mean by "punch". But darn it all, if you are listening at a half watt per channel, all that gobbledegook that your friend talked about should not matter. I'd love to know what accounts for the difference that you are hearing (which by the way I don't dispute).
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At any given volume, a watt is a watt, no matter how many more are available.
Well, not according to Schroedinger. Maybe watts are afraid to come out and play because they know their limit  . What we need is a quantum physicist to calculate amplifier eigenvalues for the wave equation  .
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If everything else is equal (if possible), and 2 different amps were both at a volume level of 75dB, would / could there be any difference in SQ??
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Well, if everything else is equal, and two different cars are producing 200 bhp, would/could there be any difference in driving quality ?
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I think that's the heart of the question. Some people say yes, other people say no. Until there's double blind abx testing, there's no way to know for sure. Of course, that seems to be invalid to some, or they just ignore that it's the best way to try these things out.
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Yes, I think there could be. A Hummer vs. a Lexus. A truck or car with poor suspension vs. a brand new one, etc. etc. but then everything else isn't equal.
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...but then everything else isn't equal.
That's right. The trick is understanding what is meant by "everything else is equal".
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