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#175538 - 08/27/07 07:27 PM Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683
ptran11 Offline
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Hi,

I'm looking to see if any one has heard the m60's and b&w 683's and could give me a comparison. There isn't anyone demo'ing in my area within 2 hours so its hard to gauge what the m60's will sound like.

I've heard comparisons of the m60 to the the b&w 700 series. B7W just released the retooled 683 to incorporate a driver from the 800 series and reviews say its close to the b&w 700 series.

Price wise the b&w are a bit more expensive. I can work a deal for them for $1250 and the m60's are about $1000.

I'm looking for a floor standing speakers for a medium sized room. It will be powered by either a rotel, nad, or denon. It will be split evenly 50% between movies and music.


Any help or advice would be great. P.S. I've been through this board and other sites trying to find comparisons for the last month but its hard to find a person who's heard and can compare both brands.

pete

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#175539 - 08/27/07 08:21 PM Re: Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683 [Re: ptran11]
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Welcome Pete,

I can't comment on the 683's, never heard them. All I can say is that I was >< close to purchasing some brand new 703's at a local high end AV dealer. Luckily I was able to listen to some m60's at the time and boy was I glad I did not spend the extra money. To me the m60's sounded better overall than the 703's, if that helps.

Also keep in mind, if you order from Axiom's outlet you save 10% off the regular prices.

ps: I now own the m80's which are dynamite. For the small difference between 60's and 80's, you might want to consider 80's as well to avoid upgradeitis in the future.

The m60's are fabulous speakers though...
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#175540 - 08/27/07 08:21 PM Re: Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683 [Re: ptran11]
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I'd like to suggest you find out why the 683s have a minimum power rating of 25W. BTW, my 80s are absolutely phenomenal. I can't get enough of them.

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#175541 - 08/27/07 08:27 PM Re: Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683 [Re: Mojo]
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I'm new to this field. Hows does the minimum wattage affect speakers? I'm trying to see if any one can tell me how the b&w 683 or 700's sound with a little more details on the dynamics, speed, sound stage, etc. I usually get a bootom line they are close but I'd like to know a bit more details.

Its been really hard to decide since there isn't any one close to me to check out the axioms. Its going to be hard for me to spend $1k on speakers I haven't heard or read direct comparisons.


Thanks for all the help guys, keep it coming.

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#175542 - 08/27/07 08:36 PM Re: Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683 [Re: ptran11]
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Where do you live, have you checked the audition thread? Or, you can send a PM to Amie or Andrea at Axiom, they sometimes have people that will audition but don't have their names on the list. Or if you say where your live, there could be someone on this forum that does not have their name on the list.

For me I thought the m60's had a little better in the low end (bass) and more detailed highs and midrange. If I recall, the B&W's had a kevlar woofer? I prefer aluminum construction. Plus I could purchase 2 m60's for about the same price of just one 703. Also, customer service was very important and it is hard to beat Axiom on that...
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#175543 - 08/27/07 09:33 PM Re: Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683 [Re: Mojo]
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Quote:

I'd like to suggest you find out why the 683s have a minimum power rating of 25W. BTW, my 80s are absolutely phenomenal. I can't get enough of them.




I think you are more hung up on the wattage thing than the big ass amp crowd is. I don't think he cares what the minimum is he just wants a comparison.
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#175544 - 08/27/07 09:55 PM Re: Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683 [Re: Wid]
Mojo Offline
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I'm actually really curious to find out if that's a mistake in the B&W literature. Why would a speaker that is rated at 90dB/w/m require a minimum of 25W. Come to think of it, what does the minimum power rating for a speaker mean anyway? It sounds like manufacturers are making assumptions about how minimally loud people want to listen to their speakers.

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#175545 - 08/27/07 10:50 PM Re: Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683 [Re: Mojo]
ptran11 Offline
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Yes, I'm not sure what min wattages means either. I'm new so if any one know I'd like to know.

Heres where I'm coming from. I really want to like axioms but its hard to buy something for $1k with out hearing it first. B&w retooled the 683 to be very similar to the 700's and CM7 for MSRP of $1400. I can get a deal for about $1250 which is close to the m60's.

Since the price is so close and based on reviews it should theoretically sound very similar. I don't know how to decide since there aren't many reviews on b&w's.

What makes it harder it seems that b&w owners tend to be fanatics, b&w or die type of people rather than objective. Its hard to get a good review.

I'm in the Denver area. I searched the post and some guy 1.5 years ago was trying to find someone close in the area to but the last person who demo'd hadn't logged in 2 years.

Does any one have a dealer close to them to check it out?

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#175546 - 08/27/07 11:12 PM Re: Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683 [Re: Mojo]
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A few other differences is that the Axiom's are a bit more efficient at 93dB versus the 90dB on the 683's. In addition the crossover freq's 200Hz and 2khz on the 60's versus 350Hz and 4Khz on the 683's.

In regards to the min wattage rating, I'm sure it is related to clipping issues and underpowering high end speakers with cheap avr's at reference levels.
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#175547 - 08/27/07 11:26 PM Re: Axiom m60 vs. b&w 683 [Re: ptran11]
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This thread may help you.

Randy, good catch on those cross-over frequencies. A 4KHz x-over on the mid/tweeter sounds high to me especially with the large mid-driver that B&W is using.

You really need to listen to both in my opinion. It's very difficult to tell from specs because these speakers are closely matched even in terms of dispersion.

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