Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Stereo 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub!

Point of curiosity, Mo; you commented that the 69dB level used "about 1 watt". You may have been just using a ballpark number, but it would seem that less than a tenth of a watt would actually be used at that level.

Wonder if suckouts due to room surface interaction affected some of the observations. For example, both published anechoic measurements and my own measurements/listening indicate that the M22 is exceptionally flat(for a speaker)and full in the upper bass/midrange area. Also, Alan has pointed out more than once(this may be what Ken was referring to earlier)the great difficulty in distinguishing between the M22/M60/M80 above the low bass in blind listening tests.

Yes, when set in the all-channel stereo mode the left side surround and back surround channels duplicate the front left, and similarly for the right side channels.

Hi John,

At -20 on my Denon and a 50Hz tone, I measured 1.12VA with a scope attached. Interestingly enough, the SPL at this gain was 89.5dB with both 80s on at an 8 foot distance.

But you know now that I think about your comment, the power must be far less than a watt and the reason is because the pink noise is recorded at -10dB whereas the 50Hz tone was recorded at 0dB. -10dB means a tenth of the power so you're right...that's a tenth of a watt. Nice catch!

I neglected to mention that my room definitely has "suckouts" but I heard the same "thinness" in the 22s at Jason's house. And I do agree with the comment that the M22/M80 sounds very similar above the low bass because when I disconnect the woofers on my 80s, they do indeed sound like 22s. I'm sure there's a similar effect with the 60s.

I just finished a quick test with the M60 and with the woofers disconnected, well unstrapped, the M60s do have the same tone as the M22s. I do find as a whole the M60 does not sound anywhere near the M22, as alot of what we hear comes through the 6 1/2 driver and that gives it a lower more laid back sound. The 6 1/2 over shadows the clarity of the single mid and tweeter while the M80 dual mids and tweeters bump those sound levels up to the level of the 6 1/2s giving them the added detail/clarity.

My quick test was done on my old Sony STRD-915 so no receiver crossovers were in effect and I lowered the bass setting to max -10 to try to equalize the sounds coming from each speaker.

I just shipped the M60s back today. I will miss them. They looked really good upstairs inplace of the M22s

The 22s may sound better on a couple of small stands.

It's not that they sound bad sitting on the floor, I am now just a little to spoiled having heard the M60s upstairs and having the M80s downstairs. I should try the EP400 upstairs with the M22s but I will have to use the high power inputs as the old Sony doesn't have a sub out.

The M22s did sound much nicer than the M60s did with the 6 1/2 taken out of the equation, but then again the M60s were not able to make use of the lower ranges, due to the crossover being taken out (200hz and below), which would have warmed things up a bit.

Let's face it, they use the same components, so they should sound similar, but it's the whole package you listen to and the M22s are just more detailed because they do not push the bass like the M60s. Like we said, the M3, is closer to the sound of the M60, warmer, richer, some what veiled in their presentation of the mids and upper ranges, but still detailed none the less.

Sounds like you guys all had a good time! I really wish I could have been there for the fun, but alas my priorities got in the way.

I had a chance to stop by Jason's place to pick up my M3s, and had a listen to the EXTREMELY SMALL EP400!!!! I really could not believe how small that sub was.

I sat down for a brief listen with his M80's and the EP400. I think it was Santana (I could tell by the guitar playing). In any case, the M80s and the EP400 sounded awesome, I didn't get a chance to listen to the M80s full range, but I am looking forward to doing another get together with the Calgary guys, Thats why I left out the M2s, so we would have another reason to do another GTG!

Back to the M80's and EP400. The EP400 really did perform in Jasons room with the music selection. The M80s are really really nice, I was VERY tempted to upgrade at that moment...I still am. They are alot smaller than I thought they would be. Jason switched between the EP400 and his current sub, is it worth the upgrade to the EP400? I thought that the EP400 was much more clear than his current sub, when he switched it over, much of the clarity from the bass was muddled into a general "boomy" sound. Too bad I didn't get to hear it in a movie setting.

Wow, the EP400 really is tiny, it has to be seen to believe it.

Until next time guys, I'll bring out my EP500 and M2s.

Robb,

The M80s are the most spectacular acoustic transducer that Axiom has. You will not regret upgrading. Bring your 22s over and we'll A/B them with the 80s so you can see what you could be hearing.

So Jason...you need M80s up-stairs now ?

Unfortunately The wife would have me killed before I could get something that big upstairs. I am lucky to get the M22s up there, but we will see, over time I am sure I can wear her down a little.

Robb, you would be correct, it was Santana - Shaman, lots of good bass on that cd. After you left I realized I had my sub running too hot by 5 db, as I had changed how I was switching between the 2.

Never the less, my sub still doesn't cut it musically and for HT I have discovered it sleeps through alot of the LFE it is supposed to be putting out. Once it wakes up it shakes quie well but I am missing some of the samller momments. Decisions...decisions....