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Re: Headphones?
Wid #182997 11/11/07 05:48 PM
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Hi guys!

Senns 650s huh?

Yeah; they're cool. A little dark(using Axiom as a standard)and power hungry compared to many headphones, but they work just great....uh; well; at least my HD600s do....on both of my Onkyos, so they should be ok on the 805.

It's true though; they should sound a bit better out of a dedicated headphone amp.

Like Rick;(wid)I also use a set of Grados. In my case a set of Alessandro/Grado MS2i for much of my listening, and they're a closer match to the Axiom personality. The HD600 that I use are also a bit closer to Axiom than the HD650s as they're a bit more neutral and a little lighter in nature. The HD650s are generally considered to be the better over-all set of cans, but a lot of Senns fans(five like HD600 and ten like HD650)are happier with the HD600 since they are a bit less dark and aren't quite as sensitive to having a top-notch system to support them to get the absolute best out of 'em. The HD600 are a little less picky about the system that they live in.

....for instance; try stating on the Head-Fi forum that you're running an HD650 straight out of a receiver, and you'd wish you had your flame-proof suit fully buttoned! Those HD650 guys are more than just a little anal!!

Another thing to consider(and this is where the standard Head-Fi Welcome comes into play..."Sorry About your Wallet")...headphones aren't like speakers where one size pretty well fits all. With phones; different phones are better for listening to different types of music. For bigger classical pieces the Senns are hard to beat. For rock, the Grados are the thing. So ya gotta think of which kinds of music you're most interested in.

Senns of course will play rock and Grado will do classical, but there are some benefits of being more task specific. The Grados are more forward and bright while the Senns are more laid-back and darker, but they're both equal in their sound quality.

One set of Senns that may be worth a bit of study would be the HD595. They're a bit more middle of the road in their presentation and a little less demanding of a good amp. I haven't heard them myself but they have quite a following in the Senns camp.

Another thing that's nice about cans.....

....they can hide a lot of faults in a sucky listening room! ;\)
Rich.

Re: Headphones?
F107plus5 #182998 11/11/07 05:56 PM
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Gee, I started typing and a lot more happened!

This is a fun forum; I really gotta get here more often!
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Re: Headphones?
F107plus5 #183000 11/11/07 06:13 PM
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Also, one thing to look at is long term use comfort. Everyone has a different shaped head and ears, and each brand of cans offer their own pluses and minuses. Some just take getting used to, like wearing a new pair of glasses--kind of uncomfortable at first, and then you get used to them.


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Re: Headphones?
St_PatGuy #183005 11/11/07 07:06 PM
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Holy Smoke! I just had a look at headphone amps... Geez... Are they also selling speaker cables, by any chance?

So far, it sounds like the HD650 is what I want (classical only) and I am already comfortable with the Sens design. But I am not ready to throw a few K$ for a headphone amp just yet. I may have to find a store that sells a bunch and got and try it for myself.

Thanks all for your advice. It may take a bit before I jump in (or not!). I'll let you all know.

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Re: Headphones?
EFalardeau #183006 11/11/07 07:11 PM
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Actually, I just checked the site where I found the price of the headphone amds (headphone.com) and they do sell 12-gauge speaker cables for 8$/foot... \:\)


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Re: Headphones?
EFalardeau #183008 11/11/07 07:20 PM
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There are plenty of less expensive headphone amps worth looking at. I use the Creek OBH 11 and am happy with it. I am having a guy build me a tube/ss hybrid amp right now. Hopefully I'll get it before Christmas.

It's not a given that your Onkyo wont be up to par for you. Give it a try and see if you like it. My Rotel RC 1070 has a real nice headphone unit.


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Re: Headphones?
Wid #183009 11/11/07 07:31 PM
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Very interesting, Rick. Will it be for a headphone only set-up, or can it double as a preamp?

Also, Eric, like Rick said, your Onkyo may be fine. My HK7200, however, has a horrible headphone unit. Yuck. Very dissappointing for what was once HK's top receiver.

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Re: Headphones?
St_PatGuy #183010 11/11/07 07:35 PM
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It is just for my headphones.

I would retreive the info but all the info is on HeadFi and that site is down right now.


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Wid #183011 11/11/07 07:39 PM
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Re: Headphones?
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