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#183762 - 11/15/07 11:17 AM Another Router question
michael_d Offline
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I now have need for a wireless router. I managed to run a screw through a cable to the furthest LAN jack location where my son has his X-box set up. I plan to still use my hard wired LAN (I have two network printers), but want a couple more locations in the house that do not have LAN jacks. I understand that Linksys makes multi-port wireless routers that might fill this need. When I look at their product guide, I’m a bit confused to which one I should buy.

I will also be using an 8 port switch with this router for the hard wired LAN outlets in use, if that matters.

In addition to the router, I need a couple of those gadgets that the device uses to talk to the router (showing my IT ignorance with these high tech terms). I don’t know if they make this, but I’d like to plug all my A/V electronics in the HT room that have Ethernet into. My receiver, HD player, BR player and video processor will all need to plug in to this thing (if it exists). The receiver has network streaming and the rest just use Ethernet for firmware updates. I can always plug them in whenever I need to update firmware, but the receiver will need constant communication with the router.

The router will be located in my office on the second level of the house. The X-box is on the fifth level about 60 feet away from the router. My A/V equipment is on the first level about 40 feet away from the router.

So in summery, I’m looking for 1) a good wireless router for a large home with some hard wire ports for my hard wire LAN. 2) a couple single port widgets that talk to the router 3) a multi port widget that talks to the router.

I supose I should also mention that the location where I will need to mount the router is in a stud space in my office wall. It can't be much larger than the four port router I have already.
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#183775 - 11/15/07 11:58 AM Re: Another Router question [Re: michael_d]
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OK, so to break it down, you need a wireless router with a built in switch (WRT54G would be my recommendation, although there's about 40000 different versions of it). You need something to translate from wireless to wired? Am I getting that right? I'm sure such a beastie exists, but I'm not sure where one would find one or if they actually work. I know you can do it with a second wireless router, but it takes some clever set up.

Although as I think about it, all you need are single 802.11e->ethernet converters, which there are plenty of.

The WRT54G is identical to your current router, as far as I remember, other than having the two antennae. You can get larger antennae for it, depending on which model you have.
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#183781 - 11/15/07 12:10 PM Re: Another Router question [Re: Ken.C]
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The output from the standard WRT54G series I found to be too weak for my house with the router in the basement, even with the high gain antennas on both PC and router. The router is located middle of the house(in tha basement) and the computers I have on the first and second floors at all corners of the house. I had to go to a router that uses MIMO(Multiple In Multiple Out) signals, I no longer have weak signals. I just bought the new 'N' router, WRT300N it does all the standards. I run mine in BG mode to enable the Wii to connect wireless as well, it just wouldn't hook up in G mode for some reason.
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#183782 - 11/15/07 12:15 PM Re: Another Router question [Re: Ken.C]
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What’s an Ethernet converter?

The router you mention, does that one have good range? In Linksys still a good make? I’ve been hearing they aren’t so hot anymore and Cisco screwed them up.

What is this A, G, B rating that I see listed with some routers?
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#183784 - 11/15/07 12:20 PM Re: Another Router question [Re: michael_d]
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Ethernet converter is my own made up word; I'm just talking about a device that converts ethernet into 802.11 wireless ethernet. This would be an example, albeit a crummy one. They seem to be fairly hard to find.

A, B, G, and draft-N are different types (and speeds) of wireless. You need to know what you have before you go out and buy a wireless router. A is in the 5GHz range and tops out at 54MB/sec. B is the generic, 2.4GHz range, tops out at 11MB/sec. B is the common denominator; just about everything that's wireless supports this. However, if it's used on a network, it slows down everything else, so you probably don't want B equipment on your network. G is 2.4GHz, tops out a 54MB/sec. 2nd most common; A is fairly rare. draft-N is 2.4GHz or 5GHz, topping out at something like 200MB/sec. Fairly rare, not a certified standard yet, but increasing in popularity. Theoretically long range.

Here's a review of current draft-N routers.

EDIT: teach me not to use preview...




Edited by kcarlile (11/15/07 12:29 PM)
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#183786 - 11/15/07 12:29 PM Re: Another Router question [Re: Ken.C]
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I can attest to the long range even in my mixed mode and not N.
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#183787 - 11/15/07 12:43 PM Re: Another Router question [Re: jakewash]
Mojo Offline
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Mike,

One of the things that you might want to do is contact the manufacturers of the devices that will be wired and ask them for their wireless routed recommendation. I know that if your wired device communicates using the same standard as the router it should be fine but it doesn't hurt to ask what they recommend. They may for example know which router make and model is most robust making your selection that much easier.

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#183799 - 11/15/07 01:04 PM Re: Another Router question [Re: Mojo]
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I use a quarter-inch rounding over bit unless I need an ogee.

You guys make everything so complicated sometimes.

Mike, you're going to have to break down and draw a picture. I'll bet Ken can solve your problem. But he might need a site visit.
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#183801 - 11/15/07 01:09 PM Re: Another Router question [Re: tomtuttle]
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I'm just not sure what you mean about the media room, Mike. I'm assuming you don't have ethernet wired to that room, so you need connectivity through wireless. Given that, I'm not sure how you're handling it right now--I know you're using all of those devices!
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#183804 - 11/15/07 01:11 PM Re: Another Router question [Re: tomtuttle]
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Tom:
You and I think alike. I was going to recommend this model as being very reliable:

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