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Re: M22 vs M60 and M22 vs VP150
grunt #185435 11/25/07 06:03 AM
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\:\) Hey Grunt - Thanks for pointing me over here \:\)

So... you have to stand the M22 upright? Would it kill it to lay it down or something?

I don't see how I could stand it up really.

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Re: M22 vs M60 and M22 vs VP150
Industrialstr #185437 11/25/07 06:17 AM
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Placed vertically it has a smoother and wider horizontal dispersion, which advantage is lost when it's placed horizontally.


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Re: M22 vs M60 and M22 vs VP150
JohnK #185445 11/25/07 02:14 PM
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This thread has covered how 22s and 60s might sound different (although they're supposed to be pretty close) but so far there hasn't been any discussion about size of room, size of listening area within room, type of content (movie vs different types of music), how loud you like to play etc...

For music M60s sound great without a sub while M22s can definitely benefit from a sub for some kinds of music. The main thing though is that 60s will move more air than the 22s and do so "equally well", so if you have a large room or like to play music/movies relatively loudly you would probably want to look hard at 60s.

How big is your room etc... ?

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Re: M22 vs M60 and M22 vs VP150
bridgman #185446 11/25/07 03:20 PM
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Like JohnK said, a single M22 placed horizontally does not sound right at all. However, two horizontal M22s placed in a TMMMMT arrangement sound better than a VP100 or VP150.


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Re: M22 vs M60 and M22 vs VP150
Mojo #185449 11/25/07 03:29 PM
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Yep, I found the same with M2s.

If you place a normal speaker on its side the apparent location of the sound changes depending on the frequency, which really blurs imaging. If you have a symmetrical driver arrangement (either a purpose-built center channel or two regular speakers with mirror-image placement) that problem goes away because all the sound seems to emanate from the center no matter what the frequency.


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Re: M22 vs M60 and M22 vs VP150
bridgman #185453 11/25/07 04:08 PM
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That's right, John. That's exactly what Jakewash and I heard. It almost sounded like the sound from a single horizontal M22 was being "thrown" when we listened to it off-axis and it sounded terribly strange.


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Mojo #185458 11/25/07 04:27 PM
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My room is roughly 20x20 and the speakers will be used almost only for gaming and home theater.

I'm sure I will listen to music from time to time. I listen to a wide variety of music - from classical and opera to funk, industrial, punk and rock/metal.

Sounds like I will need to go with the CP150 center because I cannot imagine where I would stand the M22 upright - and I don't think 2 M22s end-to-end would be cost effective (also how would you wire that? split the signal?).

Would the M22s sound to 'small' in a 400 sq ft room? The speakers will be roughly 12 feet from the viewing/listening position.

Thanks again guys

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Two M22s arranged in a horizontal fashion are $62 more than a VP150. If you plan on frequently listening to the centre 10 to 30 degrees off-axis, I would highly recommend two horizontal M22s. If not, go with the 150.

Two M22s as fronts are more than adequate for your room size. Know however that if you get M80s, you will have more amp headroom. The M22s are about half as sensitive as the M80s so you will need twice the amplifier power into the M22s as the M80s to achieve the same sound pressure level.


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Mojo #185468 11/25/07 05:43 PM
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I think the M80s are really out of the equation because of the price and the fact that I won't be pushing the system very much.

My receiver is an Onkyo 705 - not the beefiest amp in the business to be sure but it fit my budget.

How would I connect two M22s to the center channel outputs? Would this be greatly better than the CP150?

I don't plan on listening loud - we really just want clear 'immersive' sound and some nice deep base accents to movies.

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You would connect two M22s in parallel by connecting + to + and - to -.

I don't know if the 705 will drive the dual M22 4 Ohm load. I'm sure if you don't crank the volume it should work fine.


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