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#186279 - 11/30/07 03:04 PM Where are those blind listening test studies?
michael_d Offline
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I tried to search this, but quickly got bored. It's been metioned many times that some reputable folks did some tests with different recievers and other audio processers and the results showed little to know preference between high end and low end modern processers.
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#186323 - 11/30/07 10:45 PM Re: Where are those blind listening test studies? [Re: michael_d]
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I think this is the one you're looking for.
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#186332 - 12/01/07 05:15 AM Re: Where are those blind listening test studies? [Re: pmbuko]
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The blind testing in that article was in reference to amplifiers* and not processors. Out of curiosity, I wonder if different processors may sound a little different than one another.

*Which reminds me...it's 5 a.m., I need to go power up my Rotel amp so that it will be warmed and sounding it's best for tonight's listening pleasure. ;\)
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#186345 - 12/01/07 11:56 AM Re: Where are those blind listening test studies? [Re: RickF]
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The link isn't working for me. I thought there was one where a cheap receiver was put up against some high end components?
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#186348 - 12/01/07 12:12 PM Re: Where are those blind listening test studies? [Re: michael_d]
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 Originally Posted By: mdrew
The link isn't working for me. I thought there was one where a cheap receiver was put up against some high end components?

The ABX tests?
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#186371 - 12/01/07 03:36 PM Re: Where are those blind listening test studies? [Re: chesseroo]
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Uh.... I dunno. JohnK and Alan talk about them all the time. Some Dr / Scientist did the study.
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#186392 - 12/01/07 05:56 PM Re: Where are those blind listening test studies? [Re: michael_d]
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Peter's link works fine and takes you to just one of JohnK's many references to this PDF article. You have to have Adobe Reader to view it.

http://bruce.coppola.name/audio/Amp_Sound.pdf
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#186558 - 12/03/07 06:04 PM Re: Where are those blind listening test studies? [Re: michael_d]
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I haven't read the article. yet I feel vindicated already. I've been telling these meat-heads that once you surpass some threshold (and it isn't very high), you'll get music which sounds different, but NOT better.
So one guy/gall says my $15,000 Krell sounds better than your $350 cheap tube amp. Oh, really? You mean you had Diana Ross at your house singing, and then you told her to shut up, put on her CD, and noted where there were differences, if any? No, there couldn't be any differences because you have an expensive Krell, and wire that costs $20/ft., and all kinds of other audio trash connected to your system.
The audio manufacturers love you! They created this scam, and you and your buddies took the bate (I'm speaking in general, and not directing this to anyone on this forum). And next year, they'll come out with another model of something that performed well 15 years ago, and retag it, and the suckers will be out there again. It's a self-perpetuating industry. But some people just don't get it.
It your going to spend more money, sink it into the quality (e.g. big, fat, heavy transformers that cost a lot of money). The musical part of the gizmo you buy will only tell you that the music is different, not better.
Now, cogitate on that for a while. Next time rethink what you buy. And pls., don't come crying to me telling me how full of crap I am because you were one of the suckers who blew $30K on an audio system that should probably cost less than $2K, or whatever figure you had originally budgeted for, when your mind was in value-mode, not stupid-spender mode.
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#186595 - 12/03/07 10:55 PM Re: Where are those blind listening test studies? [Re: manarex]
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Can you tell us how you really feel?
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#186635 - 12/04/07 01:17 PM Re: Where are those blind listening test studies? [Re: SirQuack]
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Yes I can tell you how I really feel, but people don't want to hear the whole truth, especially after realizing how abusive they were with their budgets. Just use this post as a guide to sensible buying. After all, I think the audio industry caught a lot of fish.
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