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Re: A1400-8
Dundas #200107 03/12/08 08:10 PM
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The other digital amps are designed differently than the Axiom.


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jakeman #200109 03/12/08 08:14 PM
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Rob, I'm glad to see you toughed it out and let Axiom's excellent service deal with the problems you were having. \:\) It really is a phenomenal amp and IMO has set a new benchmark performance for Class D amps. I've had a couple of chats with Tom about the Audessey problem. Making a long discussion short it has to do with how the new program in the Integra 9.8 flucuates higher amounts of voltage which prompts a safety shutdown. Its hard to say whether its the fault of the Audessey or Axiom's safety precautions. Other folks like ihifi (John) have use the Audessey in the Onkyo 905 without problem.

In any event I've always felt the Audessey programs were not very good and very overhyped so I never use them.



I actually have the Integra DTC-9.8, not the Onkyo 905, and have never used Audyysey room EQ/correction. It may have been someone else that you are remembering.

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EFalardeau #200110 03/12/08 08:16 PM
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Thanks for chiming in Eric. ;\) John, Eric and myself have had a long mail thread going about the a1400-8. I presumed both of you had run Audessey but I see from rereading it that it was Eric and not John. Interesting that you did not have a problem with the 805.


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Dundas #200111 03/12/08 08:22 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Dundas
 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Digital amp compared to analog with regards to why Axiom?

There are lots of other digital amps.


True but the Audyssey EQ is a relatively new technology and has only recently been added to these various AVR's and SSP's. It just may be that the problem exists more globally with other high current amps and has been misdiagnosed. I can say that I had no issues with my Sunfire amp and Audyssey. IMHO, there is insufficient data to support any strong conclusions. I will continue to as John said “tough it out”, but I am looking for resolution.

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Re: A1400-8
Dundas #200112 03/12/08 08:23 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Dundas
I was going to order an A1400-8 today then I run across this information. Not being able to use Audyssey is a deal breaker for me! My problem is that even if it works OK with my Denon AVR-3806 I am planning to replace it shortly (but maybe not within 30 days depending on firmware developments) with an Onkyo 885. I don't know where this leaves me. Why is Axiom the only one with this issue?


I'm down at my place in Sanibel, FL for a couple of weeks and a friend of mine down here has the 885/1400-8 combo driving 3 VP150s and 4 QS8s. Like myself he believes in using manual equalization sparingly, so he's never run Audessey. The sound is fantastic. I'll try to post some pics later.


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jakeman #200113 03/12/08 08:31 PM
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I think that Axiom needs to get out in front of this issue in a hurry. Is the A1400-8 incompatible with Audyssey?
With other automated setup and equalization systems (which is where the market is going)?
What exactly are the issues (I did not find Alan Lofft’s explanation sufficient)?
If I understand correctly the problem is the setup procedure not the on-going use of Audyssey? Is there any work around?
Not many people are going to buy something this expensive from an internet based company without doing some research and as this potential negative spreads (and grows in the telling) it is not going to be very good for sales.

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jakeman #200114 03/12/08 08:32 PM
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 Originally Posted By: jakeman
 Originally Posted By: Dundas
I was going to order an A1400-8 today then I run across this information. Not being able to use Audyssey is a deal breaker for me! My problem is that even if it works OK with my Denon AVR-3806 I am planning to replace it shortly (but maybe not within 30 days depending on firmware developments) with an Onkyo 885. I don't know where this leaves me. Why is Axiom the only one with this issue?


I'm down at my place in Sanibel, FL for a couple of weeks and a friend of mine down here has the 885/1400-8 combo driving 3 VP150s and 4 QS8s. Like myself he believes in using manual equalization sparingly, so he's never run Audessey. The sound is fantastic. I'll try to post some pics later.

I'm afraid that the Audyssey doesn't work so why use it theory will not help Axiom sell A1400-8's. Come on John, tell your friend to man up and run Audyssey just to see what happens

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Dundas #200115 03/12/08 08:40 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Dundas
I think that Axiom needs to get out in front of this issue in a hurry. Is the A1400-8 incompatible with Audyssey?
With other automated setup and equalization systems (which is where the market is going)?
What exactly are the issues (I did not find Alan Lofft’s explanation sufficient)?
If I understand correctly the problem is the setup procedure not the on-going use of Audyssey? Is there any work around?
Not many people are going to buy something this expensive from an internet based company without do some research and as this potential negative spreads (and grows in the telling) it is not going to be very good for sales.


Unfortunately, I agree with you but I am happy enough with the performance of the A1400-8 that if it were to come down to an either or situation I'm not sure how I would go. At this point I see more tangible benefits from the A1400-8 than the Audyssey EQ. I would prefer not having to make that choice.

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Mojo #200116 03/12/08 08:45 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mojo
I presume then that the bass reproduction benefit is not realized when the system includes a powered sub.
It can be if you still don't bass manage your mains.


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haylo75 #200119 03/12/08 08:48 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mojo
I presume then that the bass reproduction benefit is not realized when the system includes a powered sub.
It can be if you still don't bass manage your mains.

The sub also only take care of the extremely low frequencies. Most of the bass is still coming from the regular speakers.


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