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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
sovkiller #206066 04/29/08 11:42 PM
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Axioms are more than decent speakers.

The speaker does not know what a "mix" is, it reproduces frequencies. These frequencies can be adjusted, and a bad or decent speaker cannot delineate the "mix" from the frequencies. It plays what it gets to the way it was built.

There are plenty of high end EQ's out there... Try this one to start:

http://www.behringer.com/DEQ2496/index.cfm?lang=ENG

Totally digital and fully programmable... Less than $300 too.


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
SRoode #206067 04/29/08 11:43 PM
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Randy, you are right.

This is my last post on this thread. I am very sorry.


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
SRoode #206070 04/29/08 11:45 PM
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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
Ken.C #206087 04/30/08 12:28 AM
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 Originally Posted By: SRoode
Axioms are more than decent speakers.

The speaker does not know what a "mix" is, it reproduces frequencies. These frequencies can be adjusted, and a bad or decent speaker cannot delineate the "mix" from the frequencies. It plays what it gets to the way it was built.

There are plenty of high end EQ's out there... Try this one to start:

http://www.behringer.com/DEQ2496/index.cfm?lang=ENG

Totally digital and fully programmable... Less than $300 too.


Why do you think I got into Axioms? I like them, I consider them among the best speakers out there, and I have heard a few in good rooms and setups, unfortunatelly not home....

Guys I know what speakers do, and the problem with the EQs is that once you introduce them into the signal other problems begin, unles digital as this one, and even though, you will have phase shifts, noise, and some other problems that may arise, I preffer to fix that naturally, and again till now using bookshelves I never had this problem before, not sure why floorstanders have to be different, once I got into floorstanders, the problems begin...maybe is a matter of getting used to them as well, that is another posibility...


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
sovkiller #206088 04/30/08 12:30 AM
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Steve, I was just joking, kinda. \:\)


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
SirQuack #206093 04/30/08 12:46 AM
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Sov try playing nothing but the good cds on the system for a few days to really enjoy the floorstanders, take your pick M80 or M50, then try to go back to the bookshelfs to see if you still feel they are better.

BTW, could you not use the M3s for poor recordings and then use the floorstanders for the good recordings? I don't remember if this was ever discussed.


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
jakewash #206097 04/30/08 01:02 AM
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I gave the M3ti as trade in for the M80's, and unfortunatelly i ship them already to them...but you know what, I will keep the 80's, see what happen later on...IMO iti s a matter of getting used more than anything else...

BTW does anybody had tried ot use any super-tweeter, I found the AV123 Onix browsing online, and they seem to improve somewhat the highs, making them more airy and spacious, more natural sounding, not sure to what extend that claim is true or not, but giving them atry will not harm...Any ideas?


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
sovkiller #206099 04/30/08 01:27 AM
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Well considering most people can not hear above the 17khz-18khz the M80s can do and frequencies that high are not felt, I wouldn't do it. Also I can't think of too many sounds that are even up in that range especially musically.


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
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BTW does anybody had tried ot use any super-tweeter, I found the AV123 Onix browsing online, and they seem to improve somewhat the highs, making them more airy and spacious, more natural sounding, not sure to what extend that claim is true or not, but giving them atry will not harm...Any ideas?


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
jakewash #206103 04/30/08 01:47 AM
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First I do hear up to maybe 19-20KHz, the last time I measured it at least, a few years back, second it is true that there is not too much material at those freq, almost none, but the problem is not so simple as to listen or not those freqs. These freq above the spectrum, have also harmonics in freq below, and far below their significant value, those are the ones that make the difference, also if you take a look at the graphs, they claim the tweeters to go to 22KHZ, but the graph shows a big dip like 20db, at maybe 16-17KHz what IMO makes them impossible to even reach 20KHz accordingly, as they claim...IMO those are ideal claims, but in reality what you are getting, is maybe pretty much around 16KHz at 90db, and them a huge roll off, of 20db...at 16 KHz there is material, and rolling it off, should make a big difference, that is IMO of course, but what do I know about this?

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