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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
Wid #206104 04/30/08 01:50 AM
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 Originally Posted By: wid
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Wow so radical!!! Have you ever tried them? I mean you could possibly be right, but I would like to know from someone with first hand experience with them...in other words I will be the Guinea pig if you like, and will try them, and will tell you later on what my thoughts are, they are returnable, all you loose is the shipping cost, not cheap, but IMO a fair price for a tryout I think...

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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
sovkiller #206106 04/30/08 01:57 AM
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Be my guess and order a pair, it's your money.


BTW, if they are so darn good why doesn't every speaker made for AV 123 have them already built in? Makes me wonder.



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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
Wid #206107 04/30/08 02:05 AM
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 Originally Posted By: wid
Be my guess and order a pair, it's your money.


BTW, if they are so darn good why doesn't every speaker made for AV 123 have them already built in? Makes me wonder.



Just for curiosity, did you ever tried or have heard any implementation of them? Maybe an Onix, Tannoy, Tonian, muRata, LCY, Townshend or any other? I mean you can save me the hassle..LOL... ;\)

Don't wonder, mainly all their speakers have one, if not the ribbon one, they use a terrific dome VIFA tweeter, the one with the phase plug, that goes up to 40KHz, that is pretty much what a ST does....

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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
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I had a pair of Pioneer Hpm 1500s that had super tweeters back in the late 70s, so yes I have heard them implemented in a speakers design. I tried to hear if they actually had any sound from them and they did not. It was all a marketing ploy as I would expect the ones from AV 123 to be.


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
Wid #206109 04/30/08 02:17 AM
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 Originally Posted By: wid
I had a pair of Pioneer Hpm 1500s that had super tweeters back in the late 70s, so yes I have heard them implemented in a speakers design. I tried to hear if they actually had any sound from them and they did not. It was all a marketing ploy as I would expect the ones from AV 123 to be.


Really? well you can find still those Pioneer in eBay once in a while selling, I saw two the other day...Funky shape as well...like discs one on top of the other or so???


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
Wid #206110 04/30/08 02:27 AM
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Rick,

You were feeding your usual gigawatt into them and you burned them out \:\) .


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
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 Originally Posted By: Sovkiller


in other words I will be the Guinea pig if you like, and will try them, and will tell you later on what my thoughts are, they are returnable, all you loose is the shipping cost, not cheap, but IMO a fair price for a tryout I think...
I was just going to suggest you have nothing to loose as av123 is pretty good about returns.

I do get they are supposed to add to the ambiance of the sound but is it worth the $350, not to me.

Just a suggestion, try running some test tones through the M80s, with an SPL meter just to see where they drop off in your room, the graph could just be an anomaly inside the chamber, it does look like the graph is starting to go back up just before the 20khz mark and even though it is dropping off substantially it could still be heard as it doesn't go to 0 just down 10db, which isn't good but still audible, sort of.


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
jakewash #206112 04/30/08 02:36 AM
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I will see tomorrow, if RS around here has one of the SPL meters, specially the digital one, not sure, i have a couple of Cd's with test tones, a few of them that I could use to see what freq is messing up around here, and try to attenuate it, maybe with room treatments, or God knows what!!!

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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
sovkiller #206114 04/30/08 02:47 AM
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If you need some test tones, you can also go to the Real Traps website and download their test tool there. It's a flash application that plays a variety of test tones through your speakers. I found it easier to use than test tone CDs (assuming you have a laptop or other computer you can easily hook to your system)


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Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference
myrison #206118 04/30/08 03:01 AM
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 Originally Posted By: myrison
If you need some test tones, you can also go to the Real Traps website and download their test tool there. It's a flash application that plays a variety of test tones through your speakers. I found it easier to use than test tone CDs (assuming you have a laptop or other computer you can easily hook to your system)

The CDs are pretty easy to use, just read the booklet and find the tone you want to play and period, I have the original ones, not copies, so I have all the info, they have from sweep tones ot pink noise, white noise, tones at given freq, phase tests, etc..you name it...I have two of them one made by MCM electronics, and one from Shefield labs, the A2TB test disc, there is also a website here with some useful material as well and some tones, even a whole CD to download free.


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