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#220460 - 09/09/08 10:30 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: SirQuack]
JohnK Offline
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Registered: 05/11/02
Posts: 10447
Several years ago a tweaker posted, asking Ian whether "quality" caps, inductors, etc. in the crossover wouldn't be of major benefit. Ian responded that much research had been done on crossover components and that the ones selected met specs and provided for optimum performance; no "upgrade" was needed.

These products, at over half the cost of the speakers themselves, seem absurdly expensive. They appear to be intended to appeal to those with an insatiable urge to tweak in an increasingly untweakable audio world.

Enjoy the music, not the equipment.

#220489 - 09/10/08 08:04 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: JohnK]
DaveG Offline

Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 868
Loc: WI
I can't imagine wanting to change the sound of my M22's.

#220495 - 09/10/08 09:39 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: SirQuack]
The Ninja Offline

Registered: 09/10/08
Posts: 29
Hi all. I run the aforementioned snake oil business \:\) I can understand the trepidation. I'm not interested in little gadgets, useless expensive wire or clever little clocks. We just do what we love - make great sound. Axiom makes great speakers but as with anything, they can be improved. It's the same with pretty much anything. Look at the automotive performance aftermarket. Heck, even the Ferrari Enzo has an upgraded twin, the FXX.

To show you guys that we are not a bunch of quacks trying to rip you off, I will give a Ninja Master set of networks to whomever here you all choose. They can install them into their speakers and report what they hear (good, bad, indifferent).

What do you all think?

To be clear, if you love your speakers, don't change them. If you want a bit more out of them, that is where we come in...

Ask questions, be skeptical - you should! This company exists as much to educate and have fun as it does being an actual business. Check out the 'about us' on the website. It gives you a little insight.

Finally, if you all or Axiom does not want me posting here, just say so and I will kick my own a*s out \:D

The Ninja

#220496 - 09/10/08 09:47 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: The Ninja]
pmbuko Offline
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Registered: 04/02/03
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Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
Personally, I would love to participate in a blind listening test comparing a modded M22 vs a stock M22. Does your crossover mod change the crossover slope or frequencies at all? If it does, then, naturally, it will affect the sound of the speaker in a way that some people might prefer. But you don't need expensive components to modify the slope or crossover points.

Oh, and about you posting here, as long as you don't act like a shill and keep things civil, I think we'd all agree that you're welcome to argue your point of view. \:\)

Edited by pmbuko (09/10/08 09:49 AM)
Edit Reason: added last paragraph
"I wish I had documented more…" said nobody on their death bed, ever.

#220497 - 09/10/08 09:56 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: pmbuko]
The Ninja Offline

Registered: 09/10/08
Posts: 29

I used to moderate the AV123 forum and I bounced those that were shilly and just plain mean so you don't worry about that sort of behavior from me.

The crossover is a completely new design from the ground up. The components used in the 'Ninja' version are excellent without being stupid expensive. We could not, unfortunately, reuse anything from the original network however.


#220509 - 09/10/08 11:17 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: The Ninja]
woofersus Offline

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Mount Vernon, OH
Great idea to give one out for the first test, ninja!

Along those lines, I would suggest that you fine folks select somebody who lives near to several other members. The more people that hear it and comment, the better an idea everybody else will have as to what the consensus opinion is.
Tim Evans
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#220510 - 09/10/08 11:33 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: woofersus]
medic8r Offline

Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 6420
Loc: Fredericksburg, Virginia
*watching with interest*

Who has 22s? I don't.
"The Universe is the game of the self, which plays hide and seek forever and ever" - Alan Watts

#220513 - 09/10/08 11:38 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: medic8r]
SirQuack Offline
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Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13356
Loc: Iowa
Ninja, I was not trying to imply that your products are snake oil products, however, as you know there are many such items out on the market.

It is a strange coincedance that you magically appeared, hmmm Woof must be on the affiliate program with your company.

Us as forum members will not be able to decide if this communication is appropriate, only Axiom can make this decision. I would recommened either you or Woof send Amie a PM.
M80s-VP180-QS8s-EP600-2xEP350 Denon3808 Outlaw7700
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#220518 - 09/10/08 12:27 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: SirQuack]
terzaghi Offline

Registered: 04/04/07
Posts: 4858
Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Yeah, I kinda though you magically appeared too!

Regardless, I think we should find somebody who is willing to try these things out.

Who wants to volunteer?

#220519 - 09/10/08 12:29 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: terzaghi]
myrison Offline

Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 1898
Loc: Austin, TX
If the Ninja will give me M22's and his upgrade kit, I'm in. \:\)
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