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Re: 3808 owners: have u purchased your feature upgrade
jakewash #230312 11/18/08 02:44 AM
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To resurrect an old thread, I thought I'd update you guys that I ended up purchasing the feature upgrade a little over a week ago. I reran the Audyssey calibration Friday and have been listening to it since.

I have to agree with what others posted above, it really is an impressive update. I find the Dynamic EQ makes the audio at all volumes seem more full and rich (cliche terms I realize, but it's the best way I can describe it).

Contrary to every Audyssey calibration I've done before this upgrade, I also feel that it improves bass response in my room. Before this, I always ended up turning Audyssey off because I felt that it cut too much bass from the system. I now prefer the Audyssey sound for everything I've listened to thus far. The bass level seems to be very well-matched with the rest of the speakers at all volumes. It provides for very smooth bass that just plain sounds awesome. I'm enjoying the 600 all over again. \:\)

Dynamic Volume is also nice when watching TV, but not nearly as impressive as Dynamic EQ.

For $100, it's more than worth it.

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myrison #230318 11/18/08 03:28 AM
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OK, you have convinced me. MY GF gave me th go-ahead but only after I told her about the dynamic volume feature that would keep the commercials from being so loud. Does that feature really work? If I buy it and it doesn't work she will be pissed! (She doesn't care or understand all the other stuff)


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terzaghi #230341 11/18/08 05:28 AM
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If it doesn't, buy an RF remote and hold it in your back. Create a macro that rapid fires VOL- a bunch of times.

Honey...Dynamic volume kicks in a sec or two...it's dynamic! Geesh, what do you expect, if we had the AVP-A1HDCI, it would be instantaneous! ;\)

See if that pig will fly!!!! \:\)


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Re: 3808 owners: have u purchased your feature upgrade
terzaghi #230363 11/18/08 02:15 PM
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David - the Dynamic Volume control does work. It comes with a downside, however. To me, it just seems to function like a seriously upgraded version of what Denon used to call Dynamic Range Compression in their feature menu.

It cuts out the highs and the lows and mushes them all together at a medium volume. So, when listening to movies or music, you're not going to want to use this setting. Even when listening to a good movie on cable in 5.1 sound, you probably won't want to use it because of the compression.

However, when watching "Deal or No Deal" or you girlfriend's favorite soap opera \:D it works very nicely. It actually has 3 settings, Day, Night, Midnight (I think those are the names - think of them as low, medium, and high compression). So far I've only used "Day" and found that it definitely cuts the volume difference between TV and commercials without creating a big negative impact on sound during the actual TV programming.

At this level though, there is still a slight bump in volume when the commercials start, but it is definitely attenuated from what it is like without the feature. I imagine on medium or high compression the transition is even more smooth, but I haven't played with it enough to be completely sure. I wanted to try it at the low setting first to minimize compression on the sound I actually wanted to hear. I imagine I'll eventually settle on the medium setting and keep it there for my DirecTV input. It can be set by input and the Denon remembers which input has what setting, so if you turn it on for your cable/sat input, it does not affect your DVD, etc., which is the way you want it.

Hope that helps sell the GF... though the difference with Dynamic EQ is what you'll really like. A win-win. \:\)

Jason


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Re: 3808 owners: have u purchased your feature upgrade
myrison #230372 11/18/08 02:48 PM
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Almost four years ago, I asked in Part V of my "Mother of all Posts" about the "Loudness" button and what ever became of it:

"What happened to "Loudness" controls? Don't human ears perceive Bass and Treble differently at lower volumes anymore, or was that never the case? I don't see that button or receivers or pre/pros anymore…. "

I think it's a bit funny that the Denon offers that as it's main feature in a $100 upgrade! Is there at least a switch on the front to engage it or a remote-enabled switch for it?

Don't get me wrong, I've always loved the "loudness" buttons for when I wanted to play something softly and didn't want it to sound thin, it's just funny to me that it came back as an extra-cost option! \:\)

Next up: a $75 option to switch your FM tuner to Mono for weak stations!

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MarkSJohnson #230373 11/18/08 03:05 PM
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Wow! I had not seen that post of yours (and I thought I was writing long posts!). Amazing cabinet and quite a lot of impressive things you built (the QS8 back plates are stunning).

But, when I see your room, it does seem like you might be having bass issues in there. How did you solve them (if you actually noticed them, of course)! ;\)

Where do all the loudness buttons go? They just die... There is no such thing as silicon heaven... not even as implants.


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EFalardeau #230375 11/18/08 03:19 PM
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I believe this option / upgrade is free to owners after a certain 3808 purchase date.

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michael_d #230376 11/18/08 03:45 PM
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Yes, I believe so. But for all the people that bought it earlier....!


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EFalardeau #230379 11/18/08 04:16 PM
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 Originally Posted By: EFalardeau
Wow! I had not seen that post of yours..{{SNIPPED}}...it does seem like you might be having bass issues in there. How did you solve them


Really? I thought that was required reading when anyone joined the forum?

I still have the bass issues. My dream is to build a couple of end tables that straddle two of the new 350s and have the two subs even out the bass. I'm not anywhere near confident enough that it will work to spend $1500 on the subs, though! \:\(


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michael_d #230383 11/18/08 04:23 PM
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 Originally Posted By: mdrew
I believe this option / upgrade is free to owners after a certain 3808 purchase date.
 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Yes, I believe so. But for all the people that bought it earlier....!
Denon increased the price of the 3808 by $100, so technically it was not free to them either. The owners of newer 3808 have to fill out a refund form and send away for it if their newer 3808 did not have the upgraded features on it, which means they had to pay another $100 to get the new features on top of the extra $100 from the price increase.


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