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Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8
Warrant #233825 12/09/08 04:56 PM
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Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8
MarkSJohnson #233827 12/09/08 04:59 PM
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You can win your way back in by posting photos. People here really like photos!


Ah, thanks for the tip. Once I get the QS8's wire run in a less-frat house manner, I will put up a few pics of my humble mancave/glorious home theater. I'll need them when I beg for help with SW positioning and reflection dampening anyway. I'll have to figure out how to post pics, but I'm sure that info is on the site. (Don't want to hijack the thread; yet again.)


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Re: Bear Wire Termination with QS8
Wid #233832 12/09/08 05:06 PM
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Thread hijacking? never heard of it, I think we all just have ADD, which is why we have a resident psychologist on the forum.


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Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8
jakewash #233837 12/09/08 05:10 PM
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Thread hijacking? never heard of it, I think we all just have ADD, which is why we have a resident psychologist on the forum.


Very good to know. I have a few "daddy" issues I'd like to work out with all of you...


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Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8
Zimm #233843 12/09/08 05:33 PM
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He's not a psychologist, he's a psychiatrist. Which means he won't listen to you, but he will give you drugs.

Zimm, just to beat a dead horse, I don't doubt that corrosion probably would play a part in your rather humid environment, but in many areas, it's not a concern. I disagree with you about the cable quality issue; as long as a cable has negligible impedance (which copper lamp cord of the appropriate gauge for the distance does), it's going to transport the signal reliably. No one has suggested using tin wire. That's a common chestnut by the cable aficionados around here...


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Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8
Ken.C #233851 12/09/08 05:47 PM
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Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8
tomtuttle #233860 12/09/08 05:59 PM
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Not to confuse things, but my understanding was that corrosion would be a problem but only if the wire was corroded when you hooked it up. The wire will corrode over time but only in the parts exposed to the air -- the part which actually makes contact normally stays shiny.

As to why cable quality makes a difference in enterprise networking, my 2 cents would be that (a) the distances are much longer, (b) the signals are digital and extremely high frequency, (c) the differences between cheap cables and crappy cables tend to be in termination and twist consistency, not in the wire itself.

Oh yeah, and (d) there are a bazillion cables so if 0.01% have problems you still spend half your life troubleshooting ;\)


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Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8
Ken.C #233867 12/09/08 06:16 PM
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No one has suggested using tin wire


Absolutely, no one suggested using tin. I raised the question in response to Warrant's detailed review of myths associated with expensive wire. I was just curious how far this goes. The spool of what I call "lamp cord" or "zip cord" that I bought at Home Depot last night for $.50/ft is, in fact, tin. I believe most cheap wire is. One side is copper plated, but both sides conduct via tin. Real copper is expensive. Is it the accepted view that "lamp cord" as used in this forum, is a reference to real copper wire? Not debating, just asking. \:\)
Lamp cord and zip cord are terms older than my experience as I have only been buying speaker wire since about '88 (and I don’t make lamps?). By then tin was taking over the bargain bins I had access to. And, dare I ask, what is the problem with tin? Not a sarcastic question, I'm really interested in this stuff and I've lost all my confidence in the myths I have bought into over the years...
By way of background, I actually began trusting the wire companies to some level based on years of setting up systems in cars, where interference and corrosion and other harsh environmental factors did make a huge difference. (I don’t want to debate that so please just ignore that invite to hijack if you think I dreamed that up.) Better cables made significant audible difference, especially in the low level lines where hiss, hum, and buzz, were common with cheap wire. Crossing power cords at 90 degrees helps, etc., etc. So believing some of the marketing hype of the wire companies was not so hard for me. This discussion has been eye opening. Thanks to all.


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