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Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
jakewash #234153 12/10/08 08:21 PM
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Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
jakewash #234178 12/11/08 12:04 AM
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I bought the Axioum wire with the $100 gift certificate I got with the QS8s - the best deal around. Probably not necessary based on this thread, but makes me feel warm and fuzzy after all the cash I dropped on the system over the years.
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Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
Zimm #234220 12/11/08 01:25 PM
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Definitely a good use of the GC. Lots of folks have bought the Axiom wire for the same reasons in the past (the warm fuzzy). You're not alone! \:D

Also, keep in mind, the logic works in reverse as well. If you ever have a lamp cord that needs replacing, you can rewire it with some super-snazzy Axiom cable and be the envy of all your friends. ;\)

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Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
myrison #234222 12/11/08 01:35 PM
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You'll need to keep the Axiom lamp cord elevated off of the floor in order for it to operate the lamps properly though ... it's written in the instruction pamphlet.


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Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
RickF #234253 12/11/08 03:28 PM
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You'll need to keep the Axiom lamp cord elevated off of the floor in order for it to operate the lamps properly though ... it's written in the instruction pamphlet.

Thanks Rick, I have that taken care of. I found a custom set of rare-earth Scandium and moon rock wire levitators in a A/V bazaar in Myanmar. They were hand crafter by a 600 year old AV guru using the bones of vanquished lamp cord dealers. I think they will keep the signal pure...and the darn things levitate the wire right off the ground! ;\)
**UPDATE**
I watched Dark Night on BDR disk last night, and WOW. Great transfer. The IMAX scenes (70mm film) are truly fantastic, even on my humble 50” DLP. The blacks are great, and the sound is my new reference standard. The Axiom surrounds really held their own at high SPL levels (with bare tin wire!!). The levitating Scandium wire holders are surely going to spice it up a notch! \:D But I do now wonder how much better it would have been in Dolby True HD... Time to upgrade.


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Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
Ken.C #234255 12/11/08 03:41 PM
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What I'm talking about is the big spools of electrical wire that you get at Home Depot, not whatever they have on their website (which is horrid, as an aside). I've never used the term lamp cord, and I probably won't, due to that very issue. But you don't have to buy AR or Monster to get 14 gauge stranded copper wire. Go to a store, use the old mark 1s, and buy the 14 gauge stranded copper wire.

"Calvin" if that is not your real name! - I think that is where I may have missed the boat on this long conversation. I (and others in the unwashed masses, I bet) thought you were talking about the spools of wire in the "Audio/Video" section at Home D, et al. But you are talking about the real copper wire sold in the electrical section, with Romex and the like. I got it. I hope this helps other newbies like me save a few coins by avoiding the it-aint-tin wire I picked up.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
Zimm #234303 12/11/08 08:47 PM
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Have a look at this well written article from 2000. Number 1 applies to this thread (but do read numbers 2 thru 10 as well).

http://www.theaudiocritic.com/downloads/article_1.pdf

Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
dewd #234320 12/11/08 09:48 PM
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Dewd...Yeah, I know, I KNOW. It still strikes me as surprising that after all the craftsmanship and tight tolerances we pay for, a coat hanger can be as effective as a precision product in terms of carrying the very purpose of the whole system - the analog signal. But I relent - bare copper ore still in the rock with a coat hanger stuck in each end it is! Hook that puppy up and fire up Batman.

Thanks for bringing in real articles though. The verbal slamming was starting to cause a migraine.



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Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
Zimm #234405 12/12/08 09:29 AM
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Charles(since you used it above, I'll assume that's your real name, just as Ken is really Ken, despite his quote from Calvin), I'm glad to see that you appreciate relevant articles, so I'll give you a couple to chew on. Part of your wire quandary appears to arise out of the concept that the wire is "carrying" the audio information, but it really isn't in the way that's often imagined. The short version is that the information that reaches the speakers is carried in an electromagnetic wave that travels along the outside of the wire at around 3/4ths of the speed of light. A small part of the energy penetrates into the wire and latches on to the electrons there(which barely move)to guide the wave, but that energy is lost as heat in traveling through the wire and doesn't directly contribute to the sound from the speakers. So the real action is outside the wire and what happens inside just involves a supporting role. Although the resistance in the wire should be low so that little of the wave energy is lost and more doesn't have to be drawn in, the type of metal, the configuration of the strands etc. isn't otherwise significant. Analogies to water flowing through a hose are quite inaccurate and maybe a railroad track is a little closer.

The first article is also from the Audio Critic and involves a discussion by an authority on electromagnetic wave propagation debunking, in language some of which is non-academic, claims about wire. See issue no.24 and read the the letter quoted by Dr. Rich beginning at p.76(pdf 68)and continued at p.81(pdf 73).

Also, see the discussion to similar effect by Dr. Lesurf in the material he first prepared as introductory material for his students in electronics and physics at St. Andrew's University. In parts 6.2 and 6.3 the point is made, supported by math which can just be skimmed over, that the real information is carried on the outside of the wire. If the electrons did it directly the sound would take minutes to reach the speakers instead of less than a millionth of a second.


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Re: Is there any copper in those wires?
JohnK #234418 12/12/08 02:25 PM
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As always, fascinating stuff John. Thanks for the links.

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