Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater SMALL vs LARGE (especially you Onkyo/Denon owners)

Whoohoo!!! When I get excited I . . . .um, never mind. . .

Ok, Chess has got me a little confused. In the 5+ years I've been monitoring this board, AVSforum, AV123, AudioCircle, etc. Most people advocate that if the bass management crossover points are going to be handled by the AVR or pre/pro, then you should turn the sub's crossover knob on "bypass" or if the sub does not have this setting, use the highest setting to get it out of the way of the AVR to handle.

So are you saying you don't follow this norm? Some receivers have one universal setting for all channels, however, today most receivers have independent settings for each channel. In either case, the crossover selection is where the LFE is redirected to the sub, in my case for speakers set to small.

It is hard to convince folks that their "large" speakers should be small. No amount of reasoning will change their minds. After all, my xxx speaker has 20" woofers and makes my coffee so I will leave it large.

If you have a properly setup sub (or subs), then what benefit can you get from speakers that can never be optimally placed for bass? Why not let the sub do its job.

And yes, Dolby and THX know a thing or two about this. Why would you not listen to them?

I tried both suggestions below. The suggestion about running the mains and now my center large works to great effect in taming the bass in my 20x20 room. The other suggestion of using cascading crossovers didn’t help as using the receiver’s alone worked perfectly.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/sub_setup.html



http://www.axiomaudio.com/settingsubwoofers.html





I’m not sure why people care so much about others deviating from “conventional wizdom” (read Dolby and THX) with their own systems or recommending experimentation to others. I did so at the suggestion of Alan Lofft based on his comments in “Featured Articles” here on the Axiom site. While the standard settings are probably a great starting point for most people there is no reason to stay with them if deviating works better for someone.

I run my system with what ever sounds best to me.

I set all of my large speakers to "small" and all of my small speakers to "large".

That's how I roll......

Mark, It probably makes everything more warm and laid back sounding to compensate for the bright wires you are using. Try different speaker wire.

Yes, it's very sad that some are incapable of disagreeing with another without spitting in the face of the person who holds the differing opinion. It's the misguided perception that, in order to refute the message, one must discredit the messenger and the selfish belief that the assumption of being right justifies any rude, inconsiderate, bullying behavior. (I will now be told that I'm doing the same thing )

I think the quotes from Alan sum up the situation very well.

Shut up Jack, you Victrola playing coot!

I don't 'think' I was misunderstood, but just to be clear, my example using an 80 Hz crossover and stating that M80s are specced to do +/- 3db down to 'roughly' 34 Hz, was just an example used to answer his question asking if the maximumn ranges of M80s and a sub actually mix to produce double bass, if left unchecked.

It was not intended to state where you absolutely need to set your crossover and certainly didn't imply that 34 (or 40) was the correct choice because M80s can produce some sound down there.

The correct choice has many variables unique to everyone. I used 80 simply because it is often used a a safe choice and I used 34 Hz because it is what Axiom rates the speakers to.