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#236972 - 12/27/08 10:40 AM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: myrison]
SirQuack Offline
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Registered: 01/29/04
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Loc: Iowa
I owned the m60's for a few years, and my room is huge, around 900 sq. ft., they were up to the challenge with no hint of distresss. The m80's do give you a little more detail and maybe a little more bass extension, but most would not know the difference unless they did a true blind A/B test.

Bob, if you've ever heard B&W's, the Axioms are similar sounding to the 703s' ($$$$$). Or I would say they are also similar to the Paradigm Studio or higher series.

I've owned Klipsch and I like the Axioms better. Can't help you on Energy or Rocket, however Tharkun (old member) had both the 80's and I think the ones above the Rocket 850's and he told me once they were very similar at most volume levels.
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#236988 - 12/27/08 01:09 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: SirQuack]
Zimm Offline

Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
Two more cents: I'll point out that my old Denon 3300 pushes my PSB towers at 4-6 ohms up to 100+bd peaks, and steady at 98db with 5 channels pushing at the large setting(full range output). I have run it for hours at loud levels, and for days at lower levels, but running all channels at no problem. From what I have read, the Denon amps just have a bit more power and stability on lower ohm speakers than other AVR companies in the same price range. My AVR (7 yrs old) is rated at 105, but from the test bench results i read years back, i think the THD is solid up to only 88 watts RMS. It sounds so good I can't make myself upgrade (but HDMI is the last straw).

All of this is to say, a new Denon with 130 watts should run a 4 ohm speaker over 100db in a small to medium room without breaking a sweat - assuming quality has stayed up, as i hear it has. And while I hate to do it here, i feel compelled to say my PSB's are great if you are not sold on the Axioms. My Axiom QS8s are also great, and I would not hesitate to pair them with a Denon.
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#237029 - 12/27/08 07:26 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: Zimm]
myrison Offline

Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 1898
Loc: Austin, TX
Zimm - just read your signature for the first time. \:D
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#237033 - 12/27/08 08:13 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: Zimm]
fredk Offline

Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7718
Loc: Canada
Bad Zimm, Bad!! Go stand in the corner.

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#237046 - 12/27/08 09:41 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: fredk]
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Registered: 12/26/03
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
As one forum member has told me that has heard Rockets and M60s the M60s are more of a wow factor, more detail, upfront. The Rockets are more laid back so you have to listen or play them, a little harder to hear the details, both are excellent speakers in their own right. Just depends on personal preferrences as to which to buy. I would suggest checking around(Hearing things forum) for some one nearby that could give demo of Axioms and then check av123 to see if someone there is nearby as well, this would help you pick the sound that you prefer. There are many good speaker companies out there, I personally feel Axiom is the best bang for the buck.

SO far as a Denon avr driving 4 ohm loads, I have had an older 1804 and now my newish 3808 both driving 4ohm loads or less for several hours at 85db or loader in my smallish room with out problems, Denons are rock solid in my books.


#237057 - 12/27/08 11:53 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: jakewash]
Adrian Offline

Registered: 12/27/08
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Hi guys, first post here!!! I've recently picked up a great deal on a Denon 2809 with a Denon 1800BD thrown in for $1100.00 Cdn. I'm now looking to pick up a 5.1 surround system and Axiom are on my (very) short list. Has anyone used the 2809 with the M80's in a 5.1 system without any problems (being 4 ohm) ? I have asked Alan about this, and he said it's ok, but I'm wondering if anyone has had any issues with the low ohmage. My owners manual says I can go to 4 ohms in stereo and 6 ohms in surround setup (which I will use). I've heard that Denon and a couple of other brands are being a conservative with their ratings however, so any input would be appreciated. Tks
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#237064 - 12/28/08 01:03 AM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: Adrian]
St_PatGuy Offline

Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 7463
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Welcome, Adrian. You're Denon will work just fine with the M80s unless you have a GIANT room and like to listen at 100 dB+ levels.

Really, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
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#237066 - 12/28/08 01:08 AM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: Adrian]
ihifi Offline

Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 280
Loc: CT
Yo, Adrian ! (had to write that)
Welcome to the forums. Looking at the specs for the 2809, I suspect that you would be fine. Alan tends to be fairly conservative, and you can pretty much hang your hat on his ok. I would keep the impedance setting at 6 or 8 ohms. There are many Denon owners here (myself excepted) who have been very pleased and without issues driving the M80s. You have a 30-day in-home trial with Axioms and will only incur a modest cost for return shipping to Michigan in the unlikely event that you are unhappy with them.
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#237067 - 12/28/08 01:08 AM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: St_PatGuy]
jakewash Offline
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10412
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
It's not so much as Denon is being conservative as it is they use very stable and strong power supplies which are in fact more than capable of driving 4 ohm loads. I used my older 1804 to drive my M80s and it never got any warmer than it did with the M22s. You will have no problems with the 2809.

I trust that price of $1100 was for the 1800BD and not for the package otherwise that would be an unbelieveable price.


#237076 - 12/28/08 02:49 AM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: jakewash]
BoB/335 Offline

Registered: 12/26/08
Posts: 505
The 2 of them together are about $1250 US dollars here. I don't know the exchange rate. Sounds like a good deal to me.

I thought I got a great deal on my 2309 for $599 US. My Sharp Blu-ray got thrown into my TV deal.

Edited by BoB/335 (12/28/08 02:51 AM)

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