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Re: EP350 or EP400?
jakewash #243729 01/30/09 01:29 PM
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
I will just add I don't like the way the Yamaha set things up, the avr XO is at 120? Way too high to me, especially if the mains get set to large as well. When you get the next one, set the mains to small and the avr crossover to 80 and adjust the calibration by ear if you have to, then try the Yamaha set up to see what it does to the system.



Jake,

I did exactly that, manually, when the xo is set to 80, I actually had to turn the volume to MAX on the ep350 to get decent bottom end. I get more bottom the higher I set my xo, but the volume just isn't there. If I start to crank the avr volume to louder levels (certainly no where near extreme) the mids and highs start to overpower the EP350. When I reconnect the old JBL and got the bottom end back, then I knew something was wrong with the EP350. No way this cheap JBL should be outperforming a 350.


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Re: EP350 or EP400?
Dduval #243731 01/30/09 01:58 PM
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Dana the bright side to this is that you should be pleasantly surprised whenever the new 350 replacement comes in, which, will be very quick hopefully.

Sorry to hear about your misfortune with the problematic sub from Axiom, as a long time owner and forum member I can only tell you from what I've seen historically these types of issues do not happen very often and when they do Axiom has always bent over backwards to resolve.

Keep us posted whenever the new sub arrives. \:\)


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Re: EP350 or EP400?
RickF #244091 02/01/09 10:07 AM
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I to was considering the EP350 BECAUSE Im ready to upgrade my veledyne dps 10 but......... im a little concerned now. Why is it everytime I Find a sub that sparks my interest and THen I see something that turns me away. I was interested in the AVS MFW 15 to because of its reviews on performance and it really shined and then I started reading about so many amp failures.Now Im really confused ??? Maybe A SVS PB12 NSD ???

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TheFactor #244094 02/01/09 10:40 AM
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I understand your concern but I do believe you are comparing apples and oranges. This is the only complaint I seen on any sud from Axiom. (and I'll leave it at that because I don't need another war commenting about another product at another site) ;\) ;\) ;\)

Re: EP350 or EP400?
BoB/335 #244098 02/01/09 02:30 PM
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I'M AN IDIOT!!!

I am so embarrassed, there was NOTHING wrong with my EP350 sub! It was me the whole time. What I was experiencing was "cancellation" with the low frequencies.

Friday, I just kept thinking there was no way this was happening to me (lack of bottom end w/350). I kept moving my 350 around the room and couldn't get any low end, even in the same place as my old JBL, still no low end.

I NEVER thought to re position my M80's. Well, that did the trick. I moved my M80's about 2 feet toward the back wall and about 1 foot closer together. Now of course the EP350 is dominating the room, I had to turn the volume down and set the crossover down to 80hz.

I'm not sure why the JBL didn't get effected this way, could be it's smaller and the woofer is so close to the floor. So anyway, I called JC back and told him, that's when he told me I was experiencing "low freq. cancellation".

I would go on and tell you all how awesome the EP350 sounds, but man, I am certainly humbled and embarrassed. I don't know why I didn't think to move the M80's. I guess I'm just not used to having quality speakers. I had no idea about "cancellation".

I'm gonna go cower and runaway ashamed now \:\(

Dana


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Re: EP350 or EP400?
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 Originally Posted By: TheFactor
I to was considering the EP350 BECAUSE Im ready to upgrade my veledyne dps 10 but......... im a little concerned now. Why is it everytime I Find a sub that sparks my interest and THen I see something that turns me away. I was interested in the AVS MFW 15 to because of its reviews on performance and it really shined and then I started reading about so many amp failures.Now Im really confused ??? Maybe A SVS PB12 NSD ???


Factor,

Read my post above! You can see it wasn't the EP350! It was me. That's why they call people like me "newbie" \:\)

Dana


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Re: EP350 or EP400?
Dduval #244100 02/01/09 02:36 PM
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That's very good news Dana, no need to feel like an idiot, trust me, we've all been there and done that at one time or another! Don't know that I would have ever thought to move the 80s either, 'low frequency cancellation' is a new one on me. Out of curiosity, where did you have the sub located in the room?


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Re: EP350 or EP400?
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I'M AN IDIOT!!!

I am so embarrassed, there was NOTHING wrong with my EP350 sub! It was me the whole time. What I was experiencing was "cancellation" with the low frequencies.


Dana



Thanks for swallowing a little pride and letting us know, Dana. Your adventure can only help other noobs (like me). Sounds like a very easy mistake to make and an easy solution, no need for embarrasment,


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Re: EP350 or EP400?
RickF #244102 02/01/09 02:49 PM
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 Originally Posted By: RickF
That's very good news Dana, no need to feel like an idiot, trust me, we've all been there and done that at one time or another! Don't know that I would have ever thought to move the 80s either, 'low frequency cancellation' is a new one on me. Out of curiosity, where did you have the sub located in the room?



Rick,

I originally had it in the right corner of the room (same as the JBL) but when I couldn't hear the low end very well, I moved it everywhere, no luck. My M80's were originally about 10 feet apart and about 4 feet from the back wall. Now the M80's are about 7 or 8 feet apart and pushed back toward the wall. I have kinda of a large open room (runs into the dining and kitchen (open floor plan). I think the M80's were too much toward the "center" of the room.

All I know now, this sub is outstanding, what a difference "placement" can make. I sure learned a lesson, hard one at that. I'm just glad JC was able to stop shipment of the replacement. Axiom's customer service is second to none, even to noobs like me... \:\)

I would have felt allot worse had Axiom wasted their time and money sending me a replacement 350 that I didn't even need.

Dana


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Re: EP350 or EP400?
RickF #244103 02/01/09 02:51 PM
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Good to hear Dana. I was surprised when I heard your news because I have my EP500s set at maybe 30% volume, and they are nice and strong.


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