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Re: Outlaw and Emotiva products...?
Animal #249268 02/27/09 05:14 PM
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There are many here (myself nominally among them) who believe that at a given amplification level (ie, same wattage, below clipping), two well designed amps designed to reproduce a flat frequency range will sound exactly the same.

Is that wibbidy enough?


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Re: Outlaw and Emotiva products...?
Ken.C #249269 02/27/09 05:18 PM
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That is what I was trying to say, but I never can sound like JohnK for some reason. \:\)


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Re: Outlaw and Emotiva products...?
SirQuack #249275 02/27/09 05:31 PM
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I see,
From my own experience, I must say that when I purchased my stuff 20 years ago, I compared different amps mostly similar in specs or wattage with the same equipment in the listening room and you could hear a difference. Maybe when you get to a certain point of quality equipment, that is lest true and the difference is not noticeable.
So, If I follow correctly, I could buy anyone of these amps and it wouldn't make a difference (beside the power), no "musicaly" difference... The only thing to take care of is the source (processor, cd player) and the speakers? I have to say that I have difficulties with that from my own experience.
I am anxious to read the reactions!
Thanks! \:\)

Re: Outlaw and Emotiva products...?
Animal #249277 02/27/09 05:37 PM
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Dear Marc,

I fear that you may not get the sort of help you seek here.

There are many people who believe that solid-state amplifiers do not sound demonstrably "different". Arcam amps have an excellent reputation, and there is no reason why you should not continue to pursue a brand that has served you well for so many years.

Your interest seems to be toward higher-end products. I will submit that IF solid-state amplifiers DO sound different (and you may have the equipment, room and ears to appreciate such differences), that you perhaps would want to also consider brands like Anthem, Rotel, Sherwood/Newcastle, ATI, Odyssey, Krell, McIntosh, Classe, and B&W.

Another good option might be to simply keep your existing amplifier and use it to power the two front speakers. It seems to me that your main issue may be which processor/pre-amp/receiver to get in order to listen to 5.1 material. You could get any of the newer receivers that have the features you want and use the receiver to power the center and surround channels while having your Arcam power the main speakers.

The new Sherwood/Newcastle pre-amp (which will be sold by Axiom) is much anticipated, and might serve as an excellent control center for your system.


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Re: Outlaw and Emotiva products...?
tomtuttle #249279 02/27/09 05:41 PM
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The Drunk Squirrel stole my point. Keep your amp and your cash, no need to upgrade a proven signal path when all you want is to add 3.1 ch to your 2 ch setup.


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Zimm #249284 02/27/09 05:48 PM
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I ain't drunk. I'm just drinking.


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Re: Outlaw and Emotiva products...?
tomtuttle #249287 02/27/09 06:00 PM
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For different considerations, including the craving to get a new grown up toy!, I wanted to get a new set-up. We’ll see…
Contrary of many of the guys here, I don’t have a wife who will stop me from throwing my money at this, only my consciousness!! And of course, my pay check!!

I like this forum! ;\)

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Animal #249288 02/27/09 06:03 PM
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In that case...Krell, Bryston, or Axiom's new $4000 amp should do the trick.


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Zimm #249292 02/27/09 06:14 PM
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Seriously, I don't want to spend such a big amount. I want to get the best deal with a maximum of good quality audio. I want to maintain the standard I have. That's my dilemma.

Re: Outlaw and Emotiva products...?
Animal #249293 02/27/09 06:16 PM
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Keep what you have and buy a receiver act as a pre/pro and to power the surround stuff. Makes sense to me...


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