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Definitive Technology
#249861 03/02/09 08:14 PM
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Anyone have any opinions on Definitive Technology's BP7006? And which Axiom speakers would these compare to?

http://www.definitivetech.com/Products/products.aspx?path=Floor-Standing%20Speakers&productid=BP7006


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shag #249866 03/02/09 08:24 PM
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As they have a powered sub I don't think it is all that fair to compare them to Axioms product line.

Although they did give me an idea of dual passive radiators on the EP400. \:\)


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jakewash #249877 03/02/09 08:40 PM
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I would not completely dismiss it. I'm not a fan of power-towers as you can't move the subs separate from the high/mids so you generally have to pick between better imaging and better bass response. Thus, room modes are more frustrating to deal with. But assuming you are not locked in to powered-towers you could easily get better sound from M80s or M60s plus a good sub. Alan would be the best to address this, but I think it is safe to say one ep500 would generate better (deeper and more accurate) bass than two 8" subs locked into L/R formation. In short, you have several options, but I don't know the price of the DefTechs so you will have to look a bit further.
On the whole, I like DefTech's okay, but don't find them to keep up with real high-end speakers. The company's focus is more mass market so you don't see any trickle-down in the technology. I always find the mid-level of the really good speaker companies gives you the best bang for the buck - i.e., Paradigm Studios, B&W 700's, PSB Image, etc. Axiom does not have a halo product range (a $10K speaker to show off) but they don't have the dealer network screaming for such a showroom display either. The M60 is well placed against the others mentioned, and the M80 really aims higher, at a moderate premium.

Edit: now I see the price. I don't trust it. Two 300 watt amps, plus two subs, plus radiators, plus 4 tweets and mids for each tower...for $1,200 MSRP. They have to skimp somewhere. PSB Image T65 used to be a powered tower, if memory serves, and it no longer is. Yet it still cost $1200 without two amps to deal with. The PSB is, in my opinion, similar to the Axioms. The DefTech is just not in the same group in terms of quality.

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Zimm #249880 03/02/09 08:59 PM
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Actually, I've always liked the idea of powered towers. Not to replace a sub for LFE, but simply to allow a truly full-range speaker that might be relatively flat to 24Hz or so. Plus, having the built-in amps just takes that much more off the receivers load.

Finally, in my square room, the more bass sources the better to even out my nodes!

I'd love to see an M80-type speaker with an 8" or 10" woofer and a built-in 250 watt amp...


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MarkSJohnson #249883 03/02/09 09:04 PM
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Well, I was comparing a tower plus sub to the DefTechs alone. Sure, take a speaker much better than the DefTechs and add a 10" sub, plus your existing subs, and my comments are generally useless - as you are describing a $6,000 speaker! Besides, my Bose 201 get down to 24Hz, what's the big deal.


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Zimm #249885 03/02/09 09:06 PM
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Oh yeah, I didn't say I could afford it... \:\)


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MarkSJohnson #249888 03/02/09 09:09 PM
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I expected more from you...why don't you have a picture of the M80 with an ep600 duct taped to its side? Slacking Mark.


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Zimm #249889 03/02/09 09:11 PM
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I think SutterCane used to own DT's and liked them very much.


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Zimm #249893 03/02/09 09:17 PM
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I'm helping a friend decide on some speakers and the room he is getting the speakers for has no room for any kind of sub. It's an awkward room with sliding glass doors, a fireplace, connected to the kitchen, etc, etc. He at least is off the Bose idea, even though satellites (other than Bose) may be a better option for the room.

After going to Magnolia, he sort of decided he may like the definitives just for the added built in subwoofer. I haven't heard them them but I would guess 2 built in subwoofers has to add some value to the sound.

I was just trying to compare prices for him with something in Axiom's range. Given the ideal room with the right places to put fronts and a sub and decent places to mount or place surrounds, it opens a whole world of choices for speakers.


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MarkSJohnson #249894 03/02/09 09:17 PM
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You could take the pre-amp out of your receiver and run it into a EP175, set the cross-over point to somewhere from 60 to 120 Hz, and send the high-pass onto an Outlaw 200W monoblock which is strapped to an M22 sitting on the sub (or nearby).

That's less than $1500 a channel. Substitute subs, speakers, and amps to taste.


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