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Never made it to the moon? Neil Armstrong is a fraud???
Bah, next you'll try to convince me O.J. Simpson really did do it!
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you can't compare watts with HP But you can... http://www.google.com/search?q=1+hp+in+watts
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I've my XPA-2 run my 2 M80s as mains for about 2 and a half months now and have not experienced any shut downs. Before buying the amp, I asked Emotiva about the shut downs and was told to connect the M80s in stereo mode, not bridged. It was a few steps up in soundstage and clarity compared to the Behringer 2500 I was using to power the M80s before. Now my M80s sing with such beauty. I guess the Karma police has been nice to me. Hope this helps. M80s/XPA2 FTW!!!
M80s,2 M22s & VP100,4 QS8, SVS PB-12 Axiom EP125, Emotiva XPA-2 & XPA-5,Onkyo 805, Yamaha 663
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Yeah, but some still want access to the full 800 reguardless. I was gonna say, not in my room, but then I went to the power calculator page and it told me that I will get a mere 110db average listening level at my primary seat with 800w. Well, OK, its still not really cause 95db hurts me , but it still amazes me how quickly speakers can suck up power.
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No one is denying the benefits of a high power amp over a 100W/ch avr for high volumes, the question is will a low end separate system that costs the same as the all in one solution of a known producer like the 3808 sound any better/louder? The answer, I believe, is no.
Ok, and I'm not denying that either. I'm just trying to keep this thread on track. Remember Animal, the guy who started this? He was asking about separates, and I believe in page 2 of this thread someone brought up that an AVR does it, "better, for less". I'm just trying to point out that there are indeed differences and what they are since the last 5 or 6 pages seem only to do with which AVR actually meets their rated specs. Just sticking up for Animals side of things, that's all
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Who is this 'animal' person, original poster, a thread on track? Remember where which forum we are on........;)
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And it is a good point Micah. Just looking at Emotiva, for about $1500 you could soon get a 5.1 setup with 200 (real???) w/c. Assuming all the other bells and whistles were the same - I know, they aren't - that set up would be "better" than a $2000 Denon 480?. In the past, I don't think you had near as much real competition between the classes. Now, separates are starting to force their way into the discussion of sub $5000 (and $4K, and $3K) units. Good news for all of us, even if I/we stay with the AVR forever. Competition helps consumers.
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Ah, but you are still 2 channels short, that 48XX has 7 channels, I know not many use them, but then you are able to run a second zone off these unused amps, this is where the convenience and feature packages come into the bang for buck formula of avr's vs seperates. So if a person wanted that second zone from a seperate system you now have to look for another 2 channel amp and the price of seperates goes up and is no longer as economical.
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Well, unless, like me, you have several old AVRs around so you only need an unpowered zone. But I get your point. Apples to Apples is hard to find in this debate. The gap, I think, is more that a company like Outlaw or Emotiva can't afford really good scalers so the video (and networking and XM, etc) all fail to meet the standards of Denon or Onkyo or HK. You need economies of scale and those smaller companies will not likely not be able to supply some of the goodies the big boys do.
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Forget 'better', we'll just say a choice with different advantages. As with anything else, "God created all men equal". Ok so how do you explain a 7 foot tall man standing next to a 4 foot tall man?
God - "ok ok, so I lied"...
Or perhaps he meant their different strengths add up to two equal men? Ah, that could be it.
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