Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Technical Questions enough power

Jon,
I guess you cannot hear what you do not have to compare, but I've heard several, Soundofmind for one, say he was able to hear a noticeable increase in sound quality in the low to mid-range vol. level, due to the better processors in his 2808 vs. his previous 1909. I don't imagine you had a chance to listen to a higher grade AVR, but would you say that you are vey happy with the SQ you achieve, low through high?

What size is your room? Mine is 31 x 23 (as many are tired of hearing ;o)

It is very good to hear from one with the same set up.

PS. Is it true that the 3808 goes to '11', not '10' like all other known amps in the world? (Spinal Tap)

I have an 1804 and the 3808 and I really haven't heard any difference, I thought I could tell a little better low end but nothing drastic.

I went from a 50 watt HK to a 110 watt Onkyo. The biggest difference is the 110 watt Onkyo can make my ears bleed 1 second faster than the 50 watt HK.

I replaced the HK because I needed HDMI. I didn'tconsider the extra watts to be that important.

Dave, you appear to be paying too much attention to relatively minor differences in maximum power ratings. The increase in loudness with increases of watts is logarithmic, not linear; this means that the loudness increase(rather small 3dB)is the same between 1 and 2 watts, 10 and 20 watts, 100 and 200 watts, 1000 and 2000 watts, etc. There's likely to be no good reason to be concerned, for example, with 90 vs 140 watts, a bit less than a 2dB difference, which might allow playing a split-second peak at 107dB rather than 105dB.

Dave, I've owned 60's and currently the 80's. My room is even bigger than yours. My 5-6yr old Denon 2805 played both in my room to levels most people don't listen. In my mind, most people will be hard pressed to tell much difference. The 80's give you a little more detail because of the dual tweets and mids, but not a huge difference. I also found them similar in the bass category.

Honestly, I never thought it could sound any better than my old m60's, I had them for a couple of years. Yes, the 80's peer preassure got to me, and I melted and gave in to 80's.. I do love my 80's, but kinda miss my 60's. ;(

I had the M60s in my house for about a month before the M80s arrived and a couple of weeks after the M80s arrived. I liked the M60s even more once I stopped comparing them to my M22s and any other speaker I could find.

Yes, I do have that 'problem'. I am sure my ear is much more in the "I could not tell a significant difference in normal listening level SQ between 90w and 130w", vs. the camp of folks with more distinguishing ears. I'm working on letting that go.


What was your story on why you ended up having both pairs come to you? Which ones did you keep (or can you say! :D).

I originally ordered the M60's but felt they were not as forward as my M22s, so i felt I was missing out. I hooked up with another forum member in town, Mojo(he has given us up to work more ), We did a big comparison among the Axiom speakers we had and I liked the M80s much better, so I ordered a set, I kept the 60s till the 80s arrived and even then I had a hard time letting the 60s go.