M80 and VP150 Testing over at Sking Ninja Forum
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I'm interested in any feedback on graphs shown about M80's and VP150 ? How important is "off-Axis" response ? Seems to me if I sit in the sweet spot it is not an issue or is it ? Thanks pmc
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"Skiing Ninja M80 VP150 testing" Very interesting read. Makes me !
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I don't think he likes the speakers.... This guy(gr reasearch) is designing the LS series of speakers for av123.com they seem to be very nice speakers if you want to pay 6,000 for 2 speakers. I would say he is tryig to pick axiom apart by the numbers not the sound. Also why would he use the m80ti to do a test rather that the up to date v2?? Has axiom become so big that the (smaller guys) are going to start attacking them?
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I‘ve never auditioned the M80’s ti or v.2 version, and as such, cannot claim to like or dislike this loudspeaker. I have always been cautious of loudspeakers with an overly complicated driver array. Not just Axiom products, but any loudspeaker. Every time you add a driver, complications arise in crossover design and dispersion characteristics. These can be compensated for by proper design, and execution of that design, but it all adds to the cost of manufacturing the loudspeaker. All loudspeakers are designed with compromises, to what extent is up to the designer, and cost is usually the biggest consideration.
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Has axiom become so big that the (smaller guys) are going to start attacking them? I'm going with "Yes". It is a blatant attack of Axiom's design principles by a competing company disguised as "science". Blah blah blah. Danny Richie is credible, Ian's a hack. Look at our pretty graphs. Completely unscrupulous business practice. Shameless. Apparently, it is much easier to criticize than to create.
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I totally agree with your statements tomtuttle especially the last part. Skiing ninja is nothing more than an opportunist. His business ONLY exists because of the success and hard work of OTHER companies.
I imagine there is also some sour grapes still.
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Wow. The number of bad conclusions in that write-up is amazing. Because they don't know why certain design decisions were made -- e.g. minimal bracing, no high-pass filter on the mids -- he basically concludes that Ian is a hack. He doesn't even consider that perhaps other designs were considered and blind tested in the development stage and found to be lacking.
I specifically remember Alan talking about how too much bracing can be detrimental to a speaker's sound. I think he was referring to the Algonquins, but I'm sure the idea carries over in general.
This guy is a complete hack whose suggestions for improvements would likely be detrimental to the overall sound when blind tested against unmodified originals.
Last edited by pmbuko; 03/17/09 04:55 PM. Reason: added a critical letter.... (see below)
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Because they don't know why certain design decisions were made -- e.g. minimal bracing, no high-ass filter on the mids -- To be fair, I'm wary of anything without a high-ass filter.
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