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If you're really talking about the SVS CYLINDER subs, be aware that they are gigantic. Now, depending upon your furniture arrangement and aesthetic demands, that may not matter. But be ready for a big, black water-heater.

I have an older SVS box sub (PB12-ISD?). It is a good piece, but it is a fugly black box and is nothing at all like the PB13-Ultra and EP600 I heard at myrison's. Totally different league in terms of output and articulation. I believe that the DSP in the EP500/600/800 makes a big difference.



Well, there are about 37 noctillion interweb threads about whether people can hear differences in amplification. Depends on how loud, your ears, your room, the material, etc. Personally, I think buying used, quality amplifiers is pretty safe since they have no moving parts.

Thnx for all the input. I took a look at the SVS website and their subs are definitely large. I suppose it's hard to say how exactly it would look in my room until I buy one but just with a tape measure I can tell the footprint is quite a bit bigger than the EP500.

I have another question now about the Factory Outlet. I realize that basically you're getting a 10% discount because there will be cosmetic blemishes on the speakers but it seems like too good a deal to pass up. Are there many people who order through the FO and if so, how severe are these blemishes?

If looking at receivers in the 3808ci price range, don't rule out the Yamaha RX-V3900. 6th ave has it for about the same price of the 3808 but you need to call them.

All my speakers are FO. I'm hard pressed to find anything wrong with them.


Go to flip22's HT in the Gallery to see the SVSs beside a pair of M60s.

On my way out the door, but two quick points: Almost everyone who buys through the F.O. can barely find blemishes, and (I don't think anyone mentioned this) another advantage of an Axiom sub over another brand is matching finishes... maybe very important if your next setup puts the sub up front alongside the Mains.

Welcome, BTW...

Just checked out Flip's HT, and holy crapola the SVS cylinders are huge! I've never seen them in a comparison shot before...

How big is the room are you might be moving into?

Reason I ask, is I went through the same decision a couple days ago (I am sure you read the thread). Brent at Axiom basically told me in a room this small it is not necessary to go into the tower speakers unless it's a mental thing for you, or you like things obscenely loud. He told me the whole point for developing the M22 was to allow small to medium sized rooms with a sub have the sound of the towers without having the footprint. That was what pretty much sealed the deal for me. If you go with the W versions the price difference is even higher because you don't have to buy stands.

If you aren't willing to compromise, or money isn't an issue, by all means I would go with the bigger setup. I do like the idea however of what the other guys said... Buy the 5.1 now, and buy larger mains and move the 22's to the 6 and 7 channel later on.

I'm really glad that flip22 put up those shots. It really puts everything into perspective (esp with that 102" screen). Numbers really can be meaningless without the context.

Excellent calculator example Murph! Power just isn't an issue in a small room. One thing the Crown calcualtor does not compensate for is room gain. Being in an enclosed space gets you another 6 db or so.

In my space, being at 8' from the speakers, I use between 2 and 6w including 12db headroom to get me to reference.

I second fredk's comment, that calculator is enlightening. Thanks Murph! Would someone refresh my memory on what db level is considered reference level?