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#264899 - 06/30/09 02:07 PM Re: First new system, going Axiom [Re: Ajax]
BlueJays1 Offline

Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 4102
Loc: Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire

A subwoofer definitely adds to the HT experience. If you like your bass, movies IMO would be lacking. Nothing beats a good subwoofer for video games and movies that have incredible dynamic range and that go really low in the LFE department. For 2 channel music listening alone though I could go without a sub
I’m armed and I’m drinking. You don’t want to listen to advice from me, amigo.

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#264929 - 06/30/09 09:33 PM Re: First new system, going Axiom [Re: Crimson Wrath]
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Red, welcome. Your proposed setup should allow you to enjoy great sound(especially the classical music, of course), although the old hag will probably complain even about the M60s.

As to the speaker wiring, for the distances that you'll be running 16ga is plenty.

Enjoy the music, not the equipment.

#264934 - 06/30/09 10:25 PM Re: First new system, going Axiom [Re: JohnK]
terzaghi Offline

Registered: 04/04/07
Posts: 4859
Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Red, where are you located? If you wanted to audition some m60's maybe you can find someone nearby who can show them off.

ps- welcome to the forum!

#264962 - 07/01/09 07:22 AM Re: First new system, going Axiom [Re: terzaghi]
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Registered: 06/30/09
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Loc: NC
I checked out where some demo locations were listed in NC, and nothing I found was remotely close.

Also...I'm getting quite a few suggestions regarding the same issue, and that's to get a bookshelf center for vertical placement rather than a horizontal one, as this can make the center sound more appropriate. I've read ideally that really getting 3 of the same fronts (M60s or M80s) is best...however that would make it quite awkward to position given my space and setup. How much difference can this really make? I see this is a big debatable issue with lots of opinions out there on it.
M60|VP150|2xQS8|PSA XS30+Epik Empire|Pioneer Kuro 6010FD|PS3|Denon AVR-X4000|Parasound 5250v.2|

#264972 - 07/01/09 01:02 PM Re: First new system, going Axiom [Re: Crimson Wrath]
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Just my 2 cents.

I believe the ideal is to have 3 identical speakers across the front. But, like you, for most of us that is an impractical solution due to room and setup limitations. That is precisely why speaker manufacturers design and produce horizontal center channel speakers. When they design these centers, they do their level best to voice them so they fit as seamlessly as possible with the rest of their speaker line.

If one can easily use an identical speaker as a center channel, by all means do so. If that is impossible or even inconvenient, I don't believe one is sacrificing all that much by using a well designed horizontal center from the same folks that designed the L & R fronts. YMMV.

"People generally quarrel because they cannot argue." - G. K. Chesterton

#264980 - 07/01/09 03:00 PM Re: First new system, going Axiom [Re: Ajax]
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I use the VP150 and I feel no need to try anything else for my centre channel.
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#265006 - 07/01/09 07:17 PM Re: First new system, going Axiom [Re: BlueJays1]
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Loc: New Orleans
That is a very nice system out the box. You may never need to upgrade. The difference between your prior experience and this system will be a shock (to you and the neighbors). And for that reason, unless price is no issue, I would put the sub on hold. It does add great things, but you are adding so much that you won't miss the sub in a small room. Down the road, once you get used to the system, or get a bigger room that sucks up bass, you can upgrade (small u, not big U). For now, you will appreciate your M60s that much more.


Oh, and don't listen to that B.S. about speaker wire. It is 99% of the sound! Maybe a tad less, but well over 10%!
Panny 3000 PJ, 118" Carada, Denon 3300, PS3, Axiom QS8, PSB 5T, B&W sub, levitating speaker wire

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