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Re: Changes to EP500?
Hansang #267924 08/02/09 07:13 PM
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I have the new oppo BDP-83. I play all my Blurays, cds, sacds ect on that and everythings powered by the Sherwood Newcastle R772. I dont know my buddy has a pair of 40 year old Pioneer HPM-100s that sounds amazing why cant I get my 5.1 system to sound that good. He is an an electrical engineer and audiophile. He moved away last year or I would have him set it all up for me. I remember mt brother owned that model back in 1979 but I forgot how good they sounded til he fired em up for me last summer...my jaw dropped. I dont know why I cant get that with my new system. I know mine are bookshelfs basically (m22s) but paired with that EP500 I would think I could blow away a set of 40 year olds speakers. Dont get me wrong it sounds good and clear but those HPM100s man I cant explain it. Anyone remember those things. I am probably going have to get a better front bookshelf speaker. Axioms best is what I have I dont have the room in my bedroom for M80s or any of their floostanding. If after the pro comes out and I still am not happy can anyone recommend a speaker no bigger than the M22 that is any better. My price limit is $1200

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th3at3rguy #267954 08/02/09 11:50 PM
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In my humble opinion, if you can't get that system to sound good in that room then a more expensive set of bookshelves isn't going to do any better. At that point work on the room, not the system. You have what should be a great sounding system.


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Re: Changes to EP500?
Wid #267955 08/02/09 11:54 PM
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I'm sorry, but I've got to say it. If you're a fan of the Klipsh ProMedia system, you're used to rather bloated bass. I can see why you would think that the EP500 wasn't doing it for you; the Promedia's probably pretty boosted in the 100-200Hz range in relation (just guessing on the frequency range; call it mid-bass.)

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Re: Changes to EP500?
th3at3rguy #267957 08/03/09 12:01 AM
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The thing is, it could be that Oppo is wigging out when play audio CDs because of some settings. It's 100% configurable if nothing else. Also, there are many settings with modern AVRs that could be causing this. Have you tried playing the audio CD with a plain old DVD player? (not SACDs of course) Might be worth ruling things out. For the first time, I ordered 5 SACDs off of Amazon. I was curious if I would hear the difference or not between audio CD and SACD. I'm doubtful but I figured I had to try. I ordered two classical SACDs (Handel/Mozart), Brothers in Arms, Billy Joel, Journey and Boston. The reviews on Amazon were fairly positive some I'm very curious! It should get here on Tuesday so we'll see.

I haven't tweaked my Oppo too much yet, but after the SACDs get here, I'll see if there's anything that jumps out (setting wise)


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Re: Changes to EP500?
Ken.C #267989 08/03/09 01:03 PM
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I've thought the same thing as Ken.

Often when someone says this new system doesn't sound as good as my computer system or my $400 HTIB, either some setting is very wrong or they have been conditioned to think a poor sound is a correct one.


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MarkSJohnson #267995 08/03/09 01:23 PM
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Ditto that. It's easy to get used to "fat" bass as sounding good if you've only ever heard bloated and boomy bass. It will take your ears a bit of time to let go of that affinity and readjust to the new presentation. Once that happens, you'll never go back.

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pmbuko #267998 08/03/09 01:35 PM
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It also seems easy to overdrive the sub when you first have it if you've never had a sub before. I certainly did.


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Re: Changes to EP500?
fredk #268057 08/03/09 09:57 PM
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I dont get it the EP500 should still be able to blow a $400 computer system out of the water. I dont really notice it musically but I do for movies. The thing is I asked axiom if I would notice it musically if I upgraded from the EP175 to the EP500 and of coarse they said oh ya you will get a big peformance boost well I still dont notice it musically. And unless I turn the volume way up I hardly hear it at all even if I am right next to it the driver is hardly even moving unless the volume is past 12o clock. I have played everything DVDs, CDs and sacds. Movies sound great though the M22s are very midrange oriented so they are perfect for that. So either I am going deaf or I dont know but once my new center gets here a pro is coming out to configure this I am sick of wondering what I am doing wrong.

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th3at3rguy #268061 08/03/09 10:17 PM
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A subwoofer is like salt. You should only notice it when it is missing. If you can "taste" the sub, then you have too much. If you're used to over-the-top, bloated, flabby bass, then the musical, subdued Axiom subs may seem lacking. Try turning it off when you're playing some music. You'll hear it go away; even if you didn't think it was there to start.

I like to play "name that bass line". Take a boomy sub and turn off the rest of the speakers. Have someone play a track and see if you can identify the song only by the <80 Hz component. With a good, musical sub this usually isn't a problem. But with a one-note boomer, if you can't pick out the song by the rhythm, you're stuck because there's no melody.


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Re: Changes to EP500?
th3at3rguy #268093 08/04/09 02:54 AM
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 Originally Posted By: th3at3rguy
I dont get it the EP500 should still be able to blow a $400 computer system out of the water. I dont really notice it musically but I do for movies. The thing is I asked axiom if I would notice it musically if I upgraded from the EP175 to the EP500 and of coarse they said oh ya you will get a big peformance boost well I still dont notice it musically. And unless I turn the volume way up I hardly hear it at all even if I am right next to it the driver is hardly even moving unless the volume is past 12o clock. I have played everything DVDs, CDs and sacds. Movies sound great though the M22s are very midrange oriented so they are perfect for that. So either I am going deaf or I dont know but once my new center gets here a pro is coming out to configure this I am sick of wondering what I am doing wrong.


Hmm, if it's that lacking something must be up. When I get my SACD tomorrow, I'll play it on the Oppo to see I get. It'll give me a chance to play around with the settings.

One thing though, are you bitstreaming (dolby/DTS) on the Oppo or sending out everything as PCM? The great bitstream/pcm debate is usually reserved for Blu-ray discs, but I'm wondering who's doing the bass management.


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