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Dude, who DON'T you know?

I suggest you guys read something like this before you start insulting me again...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomalous_photovoltaic_effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomaly_(physics)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiral_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konishi_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomalon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouguer_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-air_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_anomaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_anomaly

I can keep them coming if you like!

Here is one for all your wet-noodles...

Ok say I want to measure the coastline of Great Briton ok. Lets start with a unit of measure such as a km. Ok we have a certain count of that unit of measure right... Ok lets move on down to a decameter and take a unit of measure count. Lets move on to millimeters ok... you get the picture...

Do you realize that with every change to a smaller unit of measure the coast line gets LARGER!

Solid-State

Please show a direct link between quantum physics and audio components as it relates to audible differences in speaker crossovers. Links to relevant studies in peer reviewed publications would be fine.

The principals of a white LED are very well known, even if we do not know everything about one particular compound at the sub-atomic level. You are picking quantum nits here.

Lastly, an example of something we do not know in one small corner of an unrelated field is not evidence of anything related to the topic at hand.

This sort of prezel logic has proven very popular and effective in politics and the world of corporate spin of late. Makes me think of the Monty Python parrot sketch.

Now go away you silly person...

If what you are saying is true then WTF doesn't Audioholics just simply post test equipment measurements plot them on a graph and be done with the review! Why are not speakers simply reviewed online like say video cards with simple graphs showing what's best! If what your saying is true then why don't we have test measuring matrices to show the difference? There are many sonic properties that can't be quantified as you suggest by test equipment. I personally believe this to be fact. Sure people are stupid at discerning what the sonic change is due to our limited sonic memory and yes DSP can fool us but they do discern a change of some sort. All I know is interconnects IE calbles etc can make a difference as can capacitors and inductors in a crossover circuit. Can test equipment measure such change? To that all I can say is I don't know 100% but I feel it very unlikely. If test equipment can't measure the change does this mean it's BS and placebo! No friggin way... I've done blind tests and have personally witnessed change.

Solid-State

While I'm thoroughly enjoying this thread from an entertainment point of view. I'm doing my best to stay out of it.

I do want to say one thing though. Solidstate, if you can troubleshoot transport problems from hearing alone better than our thousands of dollars in test gear, PM me your resume. I'll hire you tomorrow. Of course, all our transport is digital, not analogue, so you might get a bit bored. We still have lots of legacy, edge data services though you could help with. Just don't get a splinter putting copper wires in your ear.

Of course, I'm sure you were referring to audio transport, not telecom. Still I couldn't let the slim chance to snipe such talented person before someone like Rogers got hold of you.

Kidding of course! I do my best to pick on the regulars (regularly) so I shouldn't leave you out.

I think you have been a bit mistreated here as we have had more controversial discussions here before with less flaming on both sides but honestly, the more you stray from topic with analogies from unrelated sciences, the more you invite frustrated venting from those who like to stick with the facts and opinions actually related to the topic at hand.

You make some good arguments for discussion but my advice is that they would be better received with quoted evidence directly related to the immediate topic.

Hope my humor isn't read as a flame and my advice is taken as friendly.

Because doing this is vastly more entertaining and profitable and thats what its all about.

Have you looked at Audioholics reviews? They are very close to that. They measure and report the specs of the gear. They talk about features which may be useful (or not), build quality, and that's about it. They don't talk about how "chocolaty" speakers sound or "dancable" the cables are. That's the reason I liked the site so much, and how I found Axiom (to keep this on topic). I've become a little more disappointed with them recently after they've opened a store and are selling products which compete against others which they are reviewing.

Yes, interconnects can degrade a signal if they are improperly designed. But any cable which to able to provide enough bandwidth to transfer the signal it is being asked to carry, does not have too much capacitance or inductance where it begins to act as a tone control, and has enough shielding to prevent interference; will sound/look the same.

Can a human in a rigorous, double-blind test be able to identify such a change beyond statistical probability? I feel it is unlikely.

Speakers are one of the hardest pieces of equipment to talk about objectively. They are by far the least accurate piece of the chain, and are affected to a greater extent by the listening environment. Simply turning one's head a degree to either side will have a much larger impact on the sonic reproduction than one 5% vs. a 1% capacitor in the crossover. Even the weather or one's mood is going to change the listening experience to a greater extent. I know on days when there's a nice breeze blowing through my living room and the smell of blossoms in the air, all my music sounds better--and that costs nothing.

EDIT: Please describe the procedure for your blind (not double?) test.

You guys are just as bad as the idiots that think 500 buck power cords make a difference only on the other extreme. You guys are drinking the Koolaid and vast generalizations online e-tailers and their support review sites use to justify the perhaps 50 buck unit cost savings using, for example, Axiom's M80 crossover components. I would seriously like to know what crossovers Ian and the boys are using in their personal M80s being driven by the A1400-8. If they are even using M80s with their A1400-8s as that amp is in a class way above what one would use to drive M80s. That's for friggin SURE! Seriously I'd like to know what crossover parts the Axiom insiders use. I know they must be watching this thread... IF you guys personally have M80s in your theater have you changed out any of the xover parts?

Solid-State

PS I do make my own LOL power cords outta a Belden SKU with decent IEC and power plugs... have I heard a difference.. ROTFL yes seriously. Would I use the superlative "huge" NO! I don't want more flames directed my way. I don't do it for sonic gains though but to make the install more neat.

SolidState, here's something to "shake yourself out" to. I think you need it.