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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
CatBrat #281105 12/01/09 07:13 PM
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 Originally Posted By: CatBrat

Sorry for not following the intended topic of this thread. It gets too easy to run in tangents.

I usually learn more from the tangents that pop up than from the original questions.


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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
grunt #281209 12/02/09 05:58 AM
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I voted 'Its more complicated'.

Nice looking setup!

I have the same receiver, and a set of M3's going across the front.

With regards to music, I'd try to find a good recording of whatever genre/artist you enjoy and listen to that first. While the M3's are reportedly the most forgiving speakers in the line up, I find that bad recordings sound BAD.

I would also look at isolating your speakers from the shelves they sit on. The M3's do resonate some when listening at elevated levels and send vibrations through whatever they are sitting on.

I can't comment on the role of the center channel speaker as I opted to get another M3 to serve as the center. No difference in tone or timbre to me.

BTW, you know that a bigger sub is in the cards for you down the road right? Its just a part of the upgradeitis that eventually gets everyone. Except for fredk maybe. \:D

Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
BigHonu #281212 12/02/09 07:04 AM
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 Originally Posted By: BigHonu
upgradeitis that eventually gets everyone. Except for fredk maybe. \:D
That would be JohnK \:\)


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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
jakewash #281219 12/02/09 09:33 AM
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 Originally Posted By: BigHonu
upgradeitis that eventually gets everyone. Except for fredk maybe. \:D
That would be JohnK \:\)


Oh, OK! \:D

Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
BlueJays1 #281226 12/02/09 01:13 PM
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Wow great feedback! Thanks people! \:\)

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
Go into your Denon's settings and set your front speakers (M3's) to large and in the subwoofer settings in the receiver change the subwoofer to LFE+Mains and a 80hz crossover for all speakers. Then play a movie and some music and listen for any differences and what you think about it.


I tried this last night and it sounds better than it used to. I'll leave it like that for a little while before I make up my mind but sounds like a good direction.

Also have to try grunt's suggestion of raising the crossover to see if the issue is really with the M3s.

I also mentionned to my GF that getting a bigger rug could help... should've stayed mum on this she's already shopping!

Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
Mendossa #281244 12/02/09 08:32 PM
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I prefered my M22's set to large and LFE + Mains setting on my Denon, I felt it just sounded richer, warmer, fuller (Did I miss any audiophile adjectives \:\) ).


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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
jakewash #281246 12/02/09 08:38 PM
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I understand M22's set to large, but what does LFE + Mains setting on my Denon mean?

Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
CatBrat #281248 12/02/09 08:45 PM
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All LFE and the lower frequencies below the crossover point are sent to the sub while the mains are playing full range(no crossover setting affects them). This is also known as double bass on some receivers.


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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
jakewash #281251 12/02/09 09:11 PM
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Jake,

So I understand this correctly... Let's say you had the 22's set to large, the Denon set to LFE + main, and the "bass setting" in the Denon (LPF) set to 100 hz. This would mean the M22's receive all info from the two front channels, while the sub is also receiving everything below the crossover point on the two front channels, and the sub is also receiving all LFE info below 100 hz?

Interesting, I may have to try that out. Right now I have the 22's set to small and the x-over at 90. Can you change Audyssey speaker settings from small to large and not wreck the Audyssey calibration? I thought the only thing you could really do was raise the crossovers, and change channel levels which it will account for.

Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
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I believe you can reset the speaker sizes and the LFE + mains setting with out causing Audyssey to change too much but it will be compromising the sound it has set up.

If you want to keep Audyssey as is, it is best to not mess with it's settings too much. You can simply run with out it and set the system the way you want just to have a listen as to what changes it brings.


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