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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
jakewash #281258 12/02/09 10:03 PM
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What about resetting it the way you want, and just rerunning Audyssey?

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CatBrat #281261 12/02/09 10:22 PM
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 Originally Posted By: CatBrat
What about resetting it the way you want, and just rerunning Audyssey?


Audyssey will ignore your settings and go about setting crossover levels, etc. After it is done, you can go in and change to LFE + Mains and set your speakers to Large.

Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
Potatohead #281265 12/02/09 11:30 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Potatohead
Jake,

So I understand this correctly... Let's say you had the 22's set to large, the Denon set to LFE + main, and the "bass setting" in the Denon (LPF) set to 100 hz. This would mean the M22's receive all info from the two front channels, while the sub is also receiving everything below the crossover point on the two front channels, and the sub is also receiving all LFE info below 100 hz?

Interesting, I may have to try that out. Right now I have the 22's set to small and the x-over at 90. Can you change Audyssey speaker settings from small to large and not wreck the Audyssey calibration? I thought the only thing you could really do was raise the crossovers, and change channel levels which it will account for.


Yes you are correct. The Audyssey enthusiasts state that when you run the auto setup the receiver (not Audyssey) decides whether to set your speakers to large or small. This would make that setting independent of what Audyssey is doing. Changing your speakers set from small to large +Lfe+Mains should not have any effect on your current Audyssey settings.


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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
BlueJays1 #281268 12/03/09 12:25 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Potatohead

Can you change Audyssey speaker settings from small to large and not wreck the Audyssey calibration? I thought the only thing you could really do was raise the crossovers, and change channel levels which it will account for.

The Dr. is correct in saying that the speaker size settings are set independent of Audyssey buy the receiver so changing size, crossover, LFE+mains (or double bass depending on your brand) will not effect your Audyssey setting, however it will effect how it performs.

The reason the Audyssey proponents recommend setting all speakers to small with no lower than an 80Hz crossover is because the EQ curve that Audyssey calculates for the LFE channel is suppose to be much finer (more accurate) than for the other channels. So in theory you should get better in-room bass response by sending the low frequencies to the sub.

Also by switching to LFE + mains you are now getting multiple bass sources that Audyssey did not account for during its calculations. Also I’m not sure whether Audyssey calculates a full range 20Hz to 20kHz for each channel or if it only calculates a curve from where the crossover was set buy the receiver up to 20kHz or more.

So when you deviate from the all speakers to small 80Hz crossover you are supposedly bypassing some of the advantages of using Audyssey. If however you find your M80s sound better set to large or like me just left them at small with a 40Hz crossover where the receiver set them then by all means do it.


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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
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Well, I just finished listening to about 30 minutes of Metallica's S&M album from about 10 years back. Anyone familiar with this album knows it's a pretty good choice for giving your speakers a workout. This is the first time I have had these W22's cranked pretty darn loud (+1) in stereo and with only a CD. Once I heard the intro to "One,", I started to get goosebumps. These speakers are just fantastic. Being a guitarist myself I probably don't get as much enjoyment out of just sitting down and listening to music as I probably should, because I'd rather play... But this is just great, I haven't felt this in a long time.

To get more to the point, I tried the W22's in both large mode and in small with a 90 hz x-over and with the sub off for a while, and honestly I really couldn't tell much difference, which re-iterates the fact they aren't doing much below 90 hz in my room. No big deal, because with the sub on... Well, it's all above.

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Dean, Audyssey equalizes each speaker only as low as the crossover set for that speaker. For example, if a certain speaker crossover was set at 100Hz in the Audyssey process because of weak response measured below that number, manually setting the speaker to say 60Hz instead would mean that there would be no equalization for the 60-100Hz range. Raising the crossover to 120Hz or higher would of course still provide equalization for the range above 120 Hz.

My view is that the "plus" type of bass setting is a bad idea and that the mains and sub should remain separate, as the basic concept of bass management contemplates, to allow the sub to handle what it does best and relieve the mains of part of the burden.


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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
JohnK #281274 12/03/09 03:38 AM
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I love that album. Glad to hear about the goosebumps.


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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
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John, you are correct. The Audyssey folks have long said you should never reduce the crossover setting for a particular speaker from which the setup process found. Bumping things up the other direction is ok, but not required.

Potato, above if your talking about the sub crossover setting you have at 100hz in the receiver, this is misleading. Even the Audyssey folks wish receiver manufacturers would not put this in as an option. This is actually a "low pass filter" and should be set to a higher setting or 120hz, not lower.


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Re: Moving from M3 to M60: Yay or Nay?
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 Originally Posted By: JohnK

Dean, Audyssey equalizes each speaker only as low as the crossover set for that speaker. For example, if a certain speaker crossover was set at 100Hz in the Audyssey process because of weak response measured below that number, manually setting the speaker to say 60Hz instead would mean that there would be no equalization for the 60-100Hz range.

Thanks, that was I thought but didn’t want to state it absolutely as I wasn’t sure.


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