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Re: Receiver brands
snazzed #286545 01/12/10 09:58 PM
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The Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH does have pre-outs. See the manual, Page 30.

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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile


Great... now I have more options to consider! \:o

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snazzed #286553 01/12/10 10:19 PM
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Ken.C #286558 01/12/10 10:52 PM
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I don't really think in terms of quality among Onkyo/Yamaha/Denon/Pioneer/HK etc you are really going to notice a big difference. It just seems whatever offers the best options for you and whatever you can get the best deal on is the way to go. If you can get a fully warrantied new old stock Denon for a great price I don't know why you would keep looking elsewhere, as long as it does everything you need/want it to do.

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snazzed #286596 01/13/10 03:46 AM
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Byron, we're all hoping that your Christmas bonus will be a good one, but regardless of that I'll join those who suggest that you get the M22s in any case. You might consider Eric's suggestion that you could temporarily skip a separate center speaker and let the M22s "phantom" the center channel(which they do an excellent job of).

Also, don't worry too much about small differences in maximum power ratings on the receivers(you specifically listed the numbers); get a receiver with the features that you want at a price that fits your budget. Don't hesitate to consider a factory refurb at lower cost. My experience and general view is that they're likely to be even more reliable than a brand new unit.


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Ken.C #286642 01/13/10 06:03 PM
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You know, I really appreciate the people here. This is, by far, the most well spoken and knowlegable group of people I deal with on the Internet.

So I'll definetly include the M22s regardless of the size of the Bonus. The difference is only $150-ish in the Outlet.

Suck Bonus:
- Denon 689/1709 (3x HDMI Input)
- M22s
- VP100
- QS4s
- Sub: skip until/unless I can afford an Outlaw LFM-1 Plus/EX

Middle of the Road
- Denon 689/1709 (3x HDMI Input)
- M22s
- VP100
- QS4s (QS8s if possible)
- Sub: Outlaw LFM-1 Plus


Mind Bending Bonus
- Denon 2809/989 (Pre-Amp Outs)
- M22s
- VP150
- QS8s
- Outlaw LFM 1 EX

Thanks a ton. Especially those who mentioned the PreOuts on the Amp... which I thought the Denon 2309 had. You made me take a second look and realise it does not!

@JohnK: Yeah, I realise that in a room this size the smallest Denon will likely do. I've removed the Power Ratings and replaced them with my actual reason for selection \:\)

Re Sub: I've limited my sub choices to Outlaw's 12" Driver Models, eliminating the 10" model from my "budget" line-up. I know someone recommended the Axiom EP350 but Outlaw has a very good name in subs and their B-Stock is even cheaper than Axioms Outlet.

Now... Lets just hope Bonuses this year aren't CRAPTACULAR making my selection, "wait until next year"

Thanks again
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Re: Receiver brands
snazzed #286649 01/13/10 06:16 PM
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Those are some nice choices. Have you considered the eD subs ? They have a couple within your budget and they too have had really good reviews. The price also includes shipping.


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I would recommend getting the sub over the surround speakers in all scenarios as it will make the most impact and add the most to your music and movie experience; you can add the surrounds at anytime \:\)


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Wid #286665 01/13/10 07:35 PM
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 Originally Posted By: wid

Those are some nice choices. Have you considered the eD subs ? They have a couple within your budget and they too have had really good reviews. The price also includes shipping.



I was considering ED for a while, but the finish wasn't all that nice. WAF wouldn't be good.

Went with HSU.

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The stock finish on the eD subs are the same as the earlier Hsu subs. I have an older VTF 2 and the it isn't at all bad looking.


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