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Adrian #286684 01/13/10 08:25 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Adrian
Ironically, one of the worst contributors to this problem is from livestock, mainly cows.


We could have a huge BBQ.


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B-O-C!!! \:D


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Adrian #286686 01/13/10 08:39 PM
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Re: Cold Weather and Global Warming Thread
Murph #286689 01/13/10 09:14 PM
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I accept these as science fact:

1. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas.
2. Largely due to the burning of fossil fuels, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are rising.

To me, it logically follows that as a result, the Earth's surface temperature will rise, and therefore, I have some concern about global warming. Of course, I don't know how much the temperature will go up, or what effect it will have. I think that it's reasonable to continue to scientifically try to predict that, and in the meantime, it's understandable that our elected officials and policymakers will debate what is exactly going on and what we should do about it.

The best starting point I have found for people who don't seem to appreciate the CO2 issue is this info-cartoon from National Geographic: Carbon Bathtub. I suggest reading the brief article first and then checking out the graphic.


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medic8r #286695 01/13/10 10:12 PM
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Even this abbreviated (in terms of the earth's history) and truncated graph shows, to me, a normal recurring pattern.

If the graph extended back millions of years the little fluctuations that are made to appear huge here would look pretty trivial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co2-temperature-plot.svg

Re: Cold Weather and Global Warming Thread
bigwill2 #286735 01/14/10 03:13 AM
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Ah, a politics thread. No, wait, science. No, that's not it, either. Hmmm...

Humans and yeast emit CO2, right? So, our very existence is contributing to our ultimate demise? I am polluting! Aaaahhhhh!

I don't kneel at the altar of science. The hand-wringing over Global Warming - no, wait, now it's Climate Change - is predicated upon accepting certain hypotheses as fact.
  • The earth's climate is warming at an abnormal rate
  • Mankind's behaviour is contributing to this warming
  • This warming will lead to widespread human suffering
  • No current or future humans will be able to mitigate the impending disaster

On a really basic level, I'm just not sure that I believe any of those things.

People who are dear to me have rightly asked "so, what's the harm in being more efficient? In burning fewer fossil fuels?"

Of course, there is no inherent harm in Mankind changing its behaviour to that end, but solutions are not so simple.

The current quality of Mankind's way of life depends upon energy consumption. Unless you are willing to abandon the current nation/state principle established over the last 500 years - and, I would contend, the entire concept of Democracy - there is no way to ensure that vast populations on other continents won't simply take the place of the USA as the world's primary polluter.

Look, I'm hopeful and I'm prudent. I'm just not willing to sacrifice the American Way of Life so that wealth can be transferred to other parts of the globe. Honestly, for me, it really does come down to not only national sovereignty, but also what our ancestors worked and fought for. I don't share the opinion that Americans need to be punished economically to save the world.


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Re: Cold Weather and Global Warming Thread
tomtuttle #286736 01/14/10 03:21 AM
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Very well put Tom. I must agree my beliefs align pretty much in line with yours.


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Careful, Rick. Unless you want to get burned at the stake along with me. ;\)


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Fortunetly this is not a political, religious debate or even worse just a position based on belief though that is where these discussions usually go...however if one was so inclined they can read peer reviewed research articles from credible scholarly sources from all over the world and I am not talking about information from governments, political officials or special interest groups. That is the best way to get informed on this topic.


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Re: Cold Weather and Global Warming Thread
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If that's what it takes Tom, I'm with ya.


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