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Gotcha. That's a very similar setup that I have. My room is about 27x17x9. I sit about 13' back, and have an additional 10+' behind me. Before you spend the money on those rear speakers, I think you should seriously consider hearing the QS8's on their own first. If you're not blown away, then go ahead and order the rears.

It's also still a good size room for the M60's. You may not be sitting 15' back, but the room is still that size. The sound still needs to fill the whole room, not just the 12x14 area.

It's a bit pricier idea, but you get the 60's and 22's. If you don't think the 60's are better, send them back and use the M22's. If you like them better, you could put the M22's in the rear. I know M22's in the rear is overkill, but it would solve a couple of issues/questions.

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Does any one have any experience listening to Logic 7 (H/K) or DLP IIx with direct radiating rear speakers?

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You could take a look at this link that i posted quite some time ago about QS8s vs M22s as surrounds.
It will at least give you one opinion on the subject.

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The difference between the M22's and the M60's was certainly more than volume levels.

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I agree with you here Spiff. I actually liked the sound of the M60s more than the M22s.
It was more than just outright volume and more about the broader soundstage. I also found the soundstage of the M60s to be larger, more robust almost (but again the extended bass factor of the M60s cannot be directly compared with the lack of same in the M22) but based on my past speaker experience, i would generally expect a larger soundstage with larger enclosure sizes. This thought has held true with our latest Tannoy additions in which they were another step larger than the Axioms M60s.

I did not find that the M60s were any different in treble (openess or separation) over the M22s though. In utilizing an identical tweeter, crossover point and box design, i find it hard how this could be obtained. Perhaps Alan would have some insight based on the listening tests they've done.

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They sound nearly same, it's more of how that sound is presented which differs with the two speakers....The M60's need space for their benefits over the M22's to be appreciated

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I completely, thoroughly and happily, merrily agree.

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I think you may be getting too hung up on the terminology

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That was my point.
I DID warn you i was being nitpicky.
Word selection means a whole lot in science publications so the broad use of specific terminology always causes a twitch in the 'ol eyebrow area.
Just call me nitpicky...
Or maybe even 'twitchy'

I shouldn't have said the M60's were more open. Bad choice of words. Their soundstage is wider. That's what I meant by open in that case. My bad.

Thanks for the link chessero. I was actually referring to the direct radiating for the rear centers or back surrounds of you prefer. I definitely plan on QS8s for the side surrounds to get the enveloping sound. Some companies recommend direct radiating rear surrounds.

Wow. The comic relief leaves for a few days and look what happens: two respected forum regulars (henceforth known as "The Scientist" and "The Layman") go at it.

We may have "gone at it", but gloves were definately on, as well as full protective head gear. I nice civilized discussion.

What full protective head gear are we talking about?...you talkng about that dickie again.

If you are going to use your system for multichannel audio, I think the setup you are considering will be ideal. directing the surround channels from a 5.1 DVD-A or SACD to M2's positioned behind the listener will sound much better than using QS8's. If you are definitely not going to play DVD-A or SACD, then the idea of getting the M60's for fronts and possibly getting a third QS8 down the road for the rear channel is a viable one.

Mark