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Re: Is Axiom For Me?
Chris23 #287241 01/17/10 06:33 PM
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Hi Chris,

Welcome and I'd only add to the comments here that the ultra-controlled scientific listening tests I did of various lossy algorithms at the NRC in Ottawa (along with other so-called "golden ears" from Canada and the US) essentially concluded that if you use 320 kbps data rates, it is "largely transparent" for virtually all music except a few eccentric instruments (castinets, harpsichord).

So you should be fine with the M60s. David is correct--once you have a lossy file, you cannot regain the data that's discarded when it's been processed by an MP3 algorithm or similar (unless you own the original unprocessed source).

And if you do drive across Algoniquin Park to Axiom, watch out for the moose and the deer wandering on to the highway.

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Re: Is Axiom For Me?
Chris23 #287242 01/17/10 06:40 PM
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If you are serious about no sub, I would go directly to the M80. For a lot of my music, the M80s cover all the bass very well (noticably better than the M60). For synth and pipe organ, my sub extends right down to 20Hz making a noticable difference.

I believe that Alan has mentioned in the past that for high bit rate MP3s you cannot tell the differnce between them and lossless so the 320k stuff should be just fine. Edit: I see Alan already replied.

Since you are relatively close to Axiom, I would consider having both the 60s and 80s shipped to you and returning the 'looser' (not that either is anything less than superb.

I agree about the trip to Axiom. I did it in March just after a snowstorm on a sunny winter day. Between the fresh snow on the trees and the mist rising from the lakes it was beautiful!

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Re: Is Axiom For Me?
bdpf #287253 01/17/10 08:15 PM
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Now my concern is about feeding the M80s with mp3s, I am not sure that you will like the result. As Adrian said, poorly recorded material will show and the M60s in that case might be a better choice. For instance, with the M80s, I have CDs (original and purchased :)) that sound terrible, but on the other hand I have some that sound wonderful.

Bruno


I'm getting M80's...I wonder how bad they will sound with my old CD and DVD collection which I'm 99% certain is pretty crappy LOL.

Re: Is Axiom For Me?
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You can enjoy pretty much any type of music on the m80's regardless of recording quality, age, ect.

However, you will really LOVE listening to great recordings and appreciate them that much more. This may lead you to be selective in what you listen to for critical listening sessions or demos of your system. I don't think it will stop you from putting your current collection to good use though.


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terzaghi #287260 01/17/10 08:58 PM
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 Originally Posted By: terzaghi
You can enjoy pretty much any type of music on the m80's regardless of recording quality, age, ect.

However, you will really LOVE listening to great recordings and appreciate them that much more. This may lead you to be selective in what you listen to for critical listening sessions or demos of your system. I don't think it will stop you from putting your current collection to good use though.


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I agree with what David (terzaghi) said there.

In my mind the whole "Crappy recordings will sound AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL" is a bit overblown. Yeah, they won't sound as good as well recorded stuff, but there is very little I find unlistenable on my Axioms (Audiobytes or M80s)--what there is, I would find unlistenable on iPod earbuds, most likely.

After all, there's only one CD that made me crash my car...


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Re: Is Axiom For Me?
terzaghi #287263 01/17/10 09:05 PM
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 Originally Posted By: terzaghi
You can enjoy pretty much any type of music on the m80's regardless of recording quality, age, ect.

However, you will really LOVE listening to great recordings and appreciate them that much more. This may lead you to be selective in what you listen to for critical listening sessions or demos of your system. I don't think it will stop you from putting your current collection to good use though.


Completely agree.

I also agree with FredK comment. If you're looking for a deeper bass due to the type of music you listen too, maybe the M80s would be a better choice.


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Re: Is Axiom For Me?
fredk #287264 01/17/10 09:15 PM
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 Originally Posted By: fredk
If you are serious about no sub, I would go directly to the M80. For a lot of my music, the M80s cover all the bass very well (noticably better than the M60). For synth and pipe organ, my sub extends right down to 20Hz making a noticable difference.


I will just point out that for the price of the M80s you can buy the M22s plus a reasonable sub.


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Re: Is Axiom For Me?
wilwom #287265 01/17/10 09:23 PM
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The M60's are very good on their own, so don't think that you would be compromising. Now I've only compared them to M22's and other brands and have yet to hear the M80's. I like you're idea of ordering both and letting us know what you think.

With regards to the VP100 or VP150, I'd recommend the 100 for your room. I've now owned both and the VP100 is more that capable for the room size you have.

In your future, no matter what you buy I'd put money on it that you will get a sub. Nobody ever stops.

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I have found many older cd's are actually better recorded than most of the new/remixed stuff. There are of course exceptions but for the most part older cd's were not recorded just to be loud for Radio play.


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