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Re: Cold Weather and Climate Change Thread
jakewash #287605 01/19/10 08:23 PM
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MarkSJohnson #287652 01/19/10 10:10 PM
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jakewash #287664 01/19/10 11:26 PM
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madjak #287669 01/20/10 12:16 AM
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As a species we are completely reactionary. London was literally drowning in it own shit before someone decided that maybe sewer systems were a good thing.

I guess if global warming really is human driven, we'll be repeating history, only on a larger scale. I guess its a good thing to cull the herd from time to time...


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fredk #287674 01/20/10 12:44 AM
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Fredk,

I agree about people being reactionary. Having said this, If I see the proof, I am more than happy to work proactively. IMHO, at the moment, there really isn't any proof that I have seen that C02 has any effect on the climate.

Having seen the fudge factor in the CRU code, I have no confidence in their models.


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pmbuko #287675 01/20/10 01:03 AM
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Climategate.... sigh

Why do they call controversies or scandals [term]-gate? The Watergate scandal had nothing to do with water....

I drove by the Watergate Hotel this afternoon. Made me think of this.

Maybe it's the sound of the term 'gates' that wears on one's nerves, kinda like "Bill Gates".


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madjak #287678 01/20/10 01:12 AM
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I guess what you see depends on your perspective. There is good evidence to suggest that our understanding of CO2 and its role in driving climate change is not correct, though that still does not mean that CO2 has no role in warming.

It does not invalidate other evidence of human driven climate change. We still have record high air and water temperatures, rapidly dwindling glaciers and polar ice, rapidly slowing deep cold water current systems...

Like I wrote earlier, you have to dig a little deeper and look at what you find.


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fredk #287693 01/20/10 02:28 AM
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"There is good evidence..."

You see that's where my research from non MSM sources has led me to completely different conclusions to yourself.

I am not saying surface temperatures haven't been rising - they have, just as they have been since the last ice age. Has mankind accelerated this at all? Honestly I have found no reliable evidence that this is the case.

How much of the surface temperature rises are due to urban growth is a really hot topic at the moment. Also, it does appear that some "Climate scientists" - whatever that means - have been more than selective with their data - possibly to the point of ignoring 75% of temperature stations readings.

What I have found is a scientific community saying a lot of "we think this" and "we think that" which then goes through the political machine (usually the IPCC) to say "we now know this and we now know that". I have also found a scientific community where the scientific method has been undermined by politics and ideology where scientists who have doubts are scared to voice them or even worse, have difficultuy getting their work published.

It is worth asking how anyone can predict something as complex as the weather to the opoint where they're predicting temperature rises by 1,2,5 degrees c in a hundred years when they can't predict the weather in my area one month from now.

Just ask people in the UK about their views on the reliability of the Met office over there for a classic case in point.

Don't you think it would be a real shame if massive amoutns of the worlds resources went into combatting C02 only to find that C02 isn't a pollutant (which it isn't).

I am assuming that you research disregarded almost anything Mr Gore says. He is so far off base it's a joke. Also, anything from the IPCC I do not consider as objective science.


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jakewash #287733 01/20/10 05:06 AM
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You should try calling them by their given names and they might want to have something to do with you ;\)


Oh, I tried years of that. Calling them the other thing is a sign of giving up.

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